PeterH, as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the Proceedings of ICCF-2. I have donated my CF library to my friend the journalist Haiko Lietz who lives in Germany, I hope you know him personally. I think the above Proceedings are at him and he can send you a copy. As regarding your assertion that technical problems can be solved- the problem is cost and price- at what price with which efforts. Liaw system was interesting- Pd is anode.
PeterG On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Nachricht ---- > Von: Peter Gluck <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Datum: 28.11.2011 06:19 > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D > system in 1991 > > > I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great problems > > of corrosion. > > > > Rule No. 6 of problem solving says: NOT the main desired positive effect, > > but those secondary negative and/or undesired effects decide in most > cases > > if a solution is implemented. > > > > It seems corrosion was so severe that this way was abandoned.. > > > > Technical problems are not important, these are almost ever solvable if > the reward is high. > History has shown this. We are on moon now, and everybody has a mobile > phone and we have GPS and Laser. > Impossible? > > So, why dont they publish their findings? Possibly others find a solution. > It would be important to have a key experiment that is repeatable and that > works. > > There is an unfortunate mechanism: > First they publish success. > This is is euphorical accepted by the LENR community and makes the way > into their collection of papers. > Then they continue their research and find unexpected problems or find > errors. > They give up. > > Of course this is not published. > This is why there are so many positive results. > This is also the mechanism why there are so many positive results about > UFO's and unicorns. ;-) > It seems most documented LENR successes are of this type: > Unfinished stories about an anticipated success that never was tested and > confirmed beyond all doubts. > > > Peter > > > > Peter > > > > *(* > > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/06/super-rule-included-complete-list-o > > f.html > > * > > * > > * > > * > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Alan Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It was in the 1990 paper : > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Liebert's still around : > > > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199010.PDF > > > > 1990 : EXCESS HEAT USING MOLTEN-SALT ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL > > > > By Professors Liaw, Tao, Turner, & Liebert > > > > > > As an example shown in the last entry in TABLE I, the power to > > > the heating tape was maintained at about 69.25 W, the cell > > > potential was typically in the range of 2.45 V, and the > > > electrochemical input power was about 1.68 W at 692 mA/cm2 > > > for a total input power of about 70.9W. We would expect 1.68 > > > Wof joule heating to result in a 5.1 °C increase in temperature; > > > however, the temperature increased by 82.4° C, which > > > corresponds to a gain of about 27.1 W, according to the > > > calibration curve. Therefore, a net gain of 25.4Wwas in excess, > > > which results in an excess power gain of 1512 percent, in the > > > range of 627 W/cm3 Pd. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Peter Gluck > > Cluj, Romania > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
