Alternatively you could ask the main author- he is still active/young: http://www.hnei.hawaii.edu/template2.asp?userID=bliaw He has continued the work, after Pd with Ni but this was also abandoned. PeterG
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:34 AM, <peter.heck...@arcor.de> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Nachricht ---- > Von: Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > An: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Datum: 28.11.2011 09:15 > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D > system in 1991 > > > PeterH, > > > > as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the Proceedings of > > ICCF-2. I have donated my CF library to my friend the journalist Haiko > > Lietz who lives in Germany, I hope you know him personally. I think the > > I am not an insider. > > If I had any possibility to repeat such an experiment I would do it. > Unfortunately I have not. Also I have not too much hope for success. > Detecting radiation or transmutation is totally beyond my possibilities. > > Temperature differences are not an irrrefutable proof. > Hydrogen adsorption is exothermic and in an hydrogen saturated material > there are heatpipe effects. > Also thermal conductivity changes with current flow. > Also gases leak out or recombine. > If there is a lot of corrosion this means there are additional exothermic > chemical processes. > So, without a long time calorimetric proof, there is nothing proven. > > > > above Proceedings are at him and he can send you a copy. > > As regarding your assertion that technical problems > > can be solved- the problem is cost and price- at what price with which > > efforts. > > Liaw system was interesting- Pd is anode. > > > > PeterG > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <peter.heck...@arcor.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Nachricht ---- > > > Von: Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > > > An: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > > Datum: 28.11.2011 06:19 > > > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd > & D > > > system in 1991 > > > > > > > I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great > > problems > > > > of corrosion. > > > > > > > > Rule No. 6 of problem solving says: NOT the main desired positive > > effect, > > > > but those secondary negative and/or undesired effects decide in most > > > cases > > > > if a solution is implemented. > > > > > > > > It seems corrosion was so severe that this way was abandoned.. > > > > > > > > > > Technical problems are not important, these are almost ever solvable if > > > the reward is high. > > > History has shown this. We are on moon now, and everybody has a mobile > > > phone and we have GPS and Laser. > > > Impossible? > > > > > > So, why dont they publish their findings? Possibly others find a > > solution. > > > It would be important to have a key experiment that is repeatable and > > that > > > works. > > > > > > There is an unfortunate mechanism: > > > First they publish success. > > > This is is euphorical accepted by the LENR community and makes the way > > > into their collection of papers. > > > Then they continue their research and find unexpected problems or find > > > errors. > > > They give up. > > > > > > Of course this is not published. > > > This is why there are so many positive results. > > > This is also the mechanism why there are so many positive results about > > > UFO's and unicorns. ;-) > > > It seems most documented LENR successes are of this type: > > > Unfinished stories about an anticipated success that never was tested > and > > > confirmed beyond all doubts. > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > *(* > > > > > > > > > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/06/super-rule-included-complete-list-o > > > > > > f.html > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Alan Fletcher <a...@well.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It was in the 1990 paper : > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Liebert's still around : > > > > > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199010.PDF > > > > > > 1990 : EXCESS HEAT USING MOLTEN-SALT ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL > > > > > > By Professors Liaw, Tao, Turner, & Liebert > > > > > > > > > > As an example shown in the last entry in TABLE I, the power to > > > > > the heating tape was maintained at about 69.25 W, the cell > > > > > potential was typically in the range of 2.45 V, and the > > > > > electrochemical input power was about 1.68 W at 692 mA/cm2 > > > > > for a total input power of about 70.9W. We would expect 1.68 > > > > > Wof joule heating to result in a 5.1 °C increase in temperature; > > > > > however, the temperature increased by 82.4° C, which > > > > > corresponds to a gain of about 27.1 W, according to the > > > > > calibration curve. Therefore, a net gain of 25.4Wwas in excess, > > > > > which results in an excess power gain of 1512 percent, in the > > > > > range of 627 W/cm3 Pd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Peter Gluck > > > > Cluj, Romania > > > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Peter Gluck > > Cluj, Romania > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
