----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Peter Gluck <[email protected]>
An: [email protected]
Datum: 28.11.2011 09:15
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D
system in 1991
> PeterH,
>
> as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the Proceedings of
> ICCF-2. I have donated my CF library to my friend the journalist Haiko
> Lietz who lives in Germany, I hope you know him personally. I think the
I am not an insider.
If I had any possibility to repeat such an experiment I would do it.
Unfortunately I have not. Also I have not too much hope for success.
Detecting radiation or transmutation is totally beyond my possibilities.
Temperature differences are not an irrrefutable proof.
Hydrogen adsorption is exothermic and in an hydrogen saturated material there
are heatpipe effects.
Also thermal conductivity changes with current flow.
Also gases leak out or recombine.
If there is a lot of corrosion this means there are additional exothermic
chemical processes.
So, without a long time calorimetric proof, there is nothing proven.
> above Proceedings are at him and he can send you a copy.
> As regarding your assertion that technical problems
> can be solved- the problem is cost and price- at what price with which
> efforts.
> Liaw system was interesting- Pd is anode.
>
> PeterG
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > Von: Peter Gluck <[email protected]>
> > An: [email protected]
> > Datum: 28.11.2011 06:19
> > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D
> > system in 1991
> >
> > > I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great
> problems
> > > of corrosion.
> > >
> > > Rule No. 6 of problem solving says: NOT the main desired positive
> effect,
> > > but those secondary negative and/or undesired effects decide in most
> > cases
> > > if a solution is implemented.
> > >
> > > It seems corrosion was so severe that this way was abandoned..
> > >
> >
> > Technical problems are not important, these are almost ever solvable if
> > the reward is high.
> > History has shown this. We are on moon now, and everybody has a mobile
> > phone and we have GPS and Laser.
> > Impossible?
> >
> > So, why dont they publish their findings? Possibly others find a
> solution.
> > It would be important to have a key experiment that is repeatable and
> that
> > works.
> >
> > There is an unfortunate mechanism:
> > First they publish success.
> > This is is euphorical accepted by the LENR community and makes the way
> > into their collection of papers.
> > Then they continue their research and find unexpected problems or find
> > errors.
> > They give up.
> >
> > Of course this is not published.
> > This is why there are so many positive results.
> > This is also the mechanism why there are so many positive results about
> > UFO's and unicorns. ;-)
> > It seems most documented LENR successes are of this type:
> > Unfinished stories about an anticipated success that never was tested and
> > confirmed beyond all doubts.
> >
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > *(*
> > >
> >
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/06/super-rule-included-complete-list-o
>
> > > f.html
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Alan Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was in the 1990 paper :
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > Liebert's still around :
> > > > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199010.PDF
> > > > > 1990 : EXCESS HEAT USING MOLTEN-SALT ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL
> > > > > By Professors Liaw, Tao, Turner, & Liebert
> > > >
> > > > As an example shown in the last entry in TABLE I, the power to
> > > > the heating tape was maintained at about 69.25 W, the cell
> > > > potential was typically in the range of 2.45 V, and the
> > > > electrochemical input power was about 1.68 W at 692 mA/cm2
> > > > for a total input power of about 70.9W. We would expect 1.68
> > > > Wof joule heating to result in a 5.1 °C increase in temperature;
> > > > however, the temperature increased by 82.4° C, which
> > > > corresponds to a gain of about 27.1 W, according to the
> > > > calibration curve. Therefore, a net gain of 25.4Wwas in excess,
> > > > which results in an excess power gain of 1512 percent, in the
> > > > range of 627 W/cm3 Pd.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Peter Gluck
> > > Cluj, Romania
> > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>
