In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to even ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint. You talk of victims like they are everywhere when in reality you can't point to one single investor in Rossi or Steorn who agrees with what you say.
The reality is that many companies take investment money that doesn't yield a return. This is not confined simply to the world of new energy technologies.
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
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From: Mary Yugo <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 12:22 pm
To: [email protected]
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]> wrote:I don't believe Rossi, but I do believe that Eff Vivakeef is acting beyond the pale for Vortex. "Convicted fraudster" is libel.
I don't think that's libel. It may not be the whole story but you can find in several reports from mainline newspapers that Rossi was indeed convicted of fraud and sentenced to 8 years in jail. Like so many things Rossi, I can't find any discussion of any credible nature about how long he actually served in jail if any and where and when. Maybe someone can find that. Rossi was also charged with money laundering and gold smuggling in addition to the Petroldragon Affair. There was a long list of charges, some leading to convictions, some of which were repealed on appeal or on technicalities IIRC but Mr. Rossi was indeed convicted of at least one felony for fraud at least one time-- probably more.
I'm not seeing any victims of Rossi show up. Know of any?
Somebody had to clean up hundreds or thousands of tons of what amounted to sewage and environmental toxins due to Rossi. It was described in the press as a major environmental catastrophe -- all due to Rossi. The DOD lost a lot of money in the TE debacle due to Rossi. None of those folks are likely to complain here. As to victims of his current caper if it's fraud? That will take a lot of time. Steorn's victims are obvious (the investors) but have not filed complaints anyone knows of to this day, about 6 years after the start. Maybe they signed clever and misleading disclaimers and decided the court battle is not worth the trouble. They were clearly defrauded though -- by public record, Steorn spent 21 million Euros in about four years. By the same records, they have made nothing which has ever been independently found to work or sold for profit to anyone anywhere ever. There were a few independent tests by fan-people and they were uniformly non supportive of the slightest claim to the so-called "technology".
Facts welcome. Libelous polemic, not.
Calling Rossi a convicted felon is not libelous-- it seems to be fact.
