Jojo,

Superb analysis. Perhaps the following will re-enforce and expand your concepts. I think you are right on. For positive verification, send a summery to Rossi's Journal asking him if it is correct. Not published or non-committal = you Aced it.

Your comment please on suggestion of powder dispersion in some sort of nonreactive liquid. Note: If possible then holding tank of step one and be pumped through step two chamber followed by heat exchanger to harvest energy. Also, stopping short reaction with strong magnetic field.

Warm regards,

Reality

Atomic hydrogen furnace with COP of 21
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm
Atomic Hydrogen Welding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/Untitled-2.jpg
Brown's Gas
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/machine/machine.php
Hydrogen Generator Car Kit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hydrogen-HHO-Generator-Kits-For-Any-Size-Engine-Fuel-Cells-Browns-Gas-System-/280845631403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4163b43fab
PAPP Noble Gas Engine
http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/1papp.htm
http://www.google.com/patents/US3680431.pdf
BTW Bookmark URL above, boot in browser and substitute any Patent # for PDF copy.
http://www.google.com/patents/US4428193 .pdf
H2 => LASER ENERGY
http://www.google.com/patents/US4831627.pdf
http://www.google.com/patents/US6999487.pdf
Another atomic H furnace
http://www.google.com/patents/US6024935.pdf
MagneGas Welding Fuel
http://www.magnegas.com/distributors.html
SYNTHESIS OF NEUTRONS FROM H
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/santilli-scientific-discoveries-6.php
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.i-b-r.org/NeutronSynthesis.pdf&sa=U&ei=rd1pT56mLaK10AHD0MSRCQ&ved=0CBIQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNEpJjqL6vg4eSMYRRskiRRaxs6tiQ http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.scientificethics.org/NeutronSynthesisNCA-I.pdf&sa=U&ei=rd1pT56mLaK10AHD0MSRCQ&ved=0CBUQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNHI6n4stMPjzJ2Nh24wWTNabRn9ag
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/images/IMG_3821.JPG
Triggers
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/santilli-scientific-discoveries-7.php
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0602125v1.pdf
Scientific train of thought ... like JoJo, Anvil, Guenther, ...
http://www.smecc.org/r__m__r__residual_gases.htm


Jojo Jaro wrote:
No one has a complete picture of what Chan/Phen does but I seriously doubt they're legit. In Chan/Phen's setup, they put their powder into a 1/4" tube under a propane environment. They then slide it inside a 1" tube with a magnet wire coil 1000' in length or so. He then subjects the coil to RF. As someone correctly pointed out to me, when I was planning a similar setup, that such an RF coil setup would only be usable up to probabaly 200 Mhz. A 1000' coil of magnet wire would have sufficient inductance to essentially be useless at any higher RF frequency. 200 Mhz is way too low from the suspected resonance frequency of Hydrogen which many suspect is 1420 Mhz (or 1.2735 Ghz - Don't ask me where I got this number.) I suspect what happens is the RF is heating the propane inside his tube enough to react with some of his elements. This reaction appears to be intense enough to initiate a low grade reaction in his mineral oil bath to generate low grade heat at 200C. I don't believe Chan/Phen has an LENR reaction. I suspect it is chemical. I do not believe the trick is in some kind of resonance reaction induced by RF. I believe the secret is in some kind of Rydberg matter reaction as Axil has speculated. So, what is the best most efficient way to create Rydberg matter? I believe it is through the application and control of sparks. Each spark ionizes the hydrogen, nickel and other stuff in your reactor. Allow this ionized matter to cool down sufficiently and condense into Rydberg matter instead of reverting back to its ordinary gaseous or solid form by controlling the amount of your sparking. The trick I think is to control this temperature so that Rydberg matter are created. At just the right temperature, Ionized matter would condense into Rydberg matter. Create an environment where your reactor insides are teaming with tons of Rydberg matter and you increase the chances of a nuclei fusion as Axil has speculated. One thing to note is that for you to have a good number of Rydberg matter created, your reactor environment must be providing sufficient turbulence. If not, you will simply be sparking the same powder molecules over and over again. Not only will you destroy the Rydberg matter that have been created, you will also melt your Ni powder. So, like I said, sparking with turbelence is the key. Sparks are very efficient ways of creating Ionized matter. In a hydrogen gas environment, about 30-40% of the energy goes into ionizing the hydrogen instead of simply bulk heating it. Bulk heating the gas and powder I think is counter productive. So, sparks may be the secret.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
    <mailto:integral.property.serv...@gmail.com>
    *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:02 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

    Jojo,

    Is this what Phen in ecatbuilder. com/catalyst/ was doing, using
    MgH2 as a proton source? Spark = plasma and vortex
    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62495.html
    makes note of that.

    Warm Regards,

    Reality

    Jojo Jaro wrote:
    Axil, Excellent series of posts on Rydberg Matter.  Very
    informative.  Thanks.  I now have a better understanding.
    My question centers on speculation about how Rossi might be
creating Rydberg matter of Cesium or Potassium as you speculate. Tell me if my speculation makes sense.
    In Rossi's earlier reactor design, I speculate he had a
    cylindrical reactor with a wire in the middle which he subjects
    to high voltage.  The high voltage creates sparks.  The high
    voltage may have been applied at a specific frequency.  I suspect
    the high voltage applied at just the right frequency would create
    tons of and tons of Rydberg matter via sparking.  I am thinking
    that if the frequency were too low, there would not be enough
    Rydberg matter created.  If the frequency were too high, it would
    possibly create a too high localized temperature to "cook" and
    melt the nickel powder rendering its nanostructures inert thereby
    killing the LENR reactions.  I'm thinking the trick is to find
    out the right amount of sparking - enough to create tons of
    Rydberg matter but not too much to melt the nickel
    nanostructures.  It would also be important to design the heat
    and convective flow inside the reactor to properly distribute the
    heat.
    With this cylindrical setup, the nickel powder would be
    "bunching" at the bottom of the cylindrical reactor.  Applying
    repeated sparking onto this pile would increase the chances of
    melting the nickel nanostructure due to increased localized high
    temperatures due to sparking.  This would explain Rossi's
    quiescence problem.  He can only apply sparks for so long till
    the Ni powders would melt.
    To solve this quiescense problem, Rossi had to figure out how to
    distribute the sparks over a wider area - basically he has to
    spread the nickel powder.  I believe this is what prompted Rossi
    to design his "FAT Cat" design.  If I remember correctly, his
    home E-Cat was shaped like a laptop with the reactor itself being
    only 20x20x1 cm in dimensions.  This is essentially two metal
    plates separated by a thin layer of pressurized hydrogen.  The
    nickel is spread out thinly over the surface of the plate.  He
    then subjects the plates to high voltage to create sparks.  He
    controls the amount of sparks by varying the frequency of the
    high voltage.  If he needs more reaction, he increases the
    frequency of the sparks creating more Rydberg matter to catalyze
    more reactions.  If he lowers the amount of sparks, he lowers the
    reaction rate.  Spreading the Ni powder would also have the
    effect of spreading the heat thereby minimizing the chances of
    too high localized temperatures.
    In DGT's design, they have cylindrical reactors machined from a
    big block of steel.  I believe they would then put a wire in the
    middle just like Rossi's original design.  (I believe that the
    purpose of the "window" in DGT's test reactors is to observe the
    sparks during testing.)  DGT minimized the quiescene problem by
    using Ni sparingly and spreading it  out over a longer
    cylindrical reactor.  Rossi's cylindrical reactor was short and
fat, hence his Ni powder would be bunched up in the bottom. DGT's cylindrical design was longer and thinner, thereby
    spreading the Ni powder, minimizing quiescense as they claimed.
    To me this appears to be evident.  I believe part of the
    electronics in Rossi's blue control box is electronics for
    controlling the sparking rate, which he calls "RF".
    So basically, I think you may be right about Rydberg matter.  I
    think the strategy is to design a reactor that would subject
    the Ni and catalyst mix to sparks promoting the creation of
    Rydberg matter.  Then make sure that there is sufficient
    turbulence inside the rreactor to agitate and blow the powder all
    over thereby minimizing the chances of "cooking" the powder while
    simultaneously increasing the chances of a chance encounter
    between the Rydberg matter catalyst and the Ni nuclei.
So, essentially, I think the secret is sparks with lots of turbulent mixing. I have designed a new reactor setup to try out
    these ideas.  I will have a horizontal cylindrical reactor with a
    "stripped" spark plug electrode as the high voltage source.  I
    will then drive this spark plug with an Ignition coil actuated by
    a Power MOSFET driven by the PWM output of my MF-28 data
    acquisition module.  I will program the sparking frequency by
    controlling the rate of PWM output.  (Later on, I will program a
    feedback mechanism to lower the sparking rate if the temperature
    gets too high.)  The trick would then be to find the right amount
    of sparking for the highest amount of heat production.  To
    increase chances of success, I will be including all elements
    suggested as catalyst - ie iron, carbon, copper, tungsten,
    sodium,  potassium and cesium, although cesium might be harder to
    acquire.
    What do you think of my plan?
    Once again, thanks for sharing your theoretical understanding so
    that we engineers can build and do the experiments.
    Jojo

        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* Axil Axil <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
        *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
        *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:31 AM
        *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol


        Hi Bob,

        Much thanks for your interest in this post.

        In order to answer your question properly, it’s going to take
        some time… so be patient.

        I will respond in a series of posts.

        Post #1

        Bob Higgins asked: “ Rydberg hydrogen has a very loosely
        bound electron”.

        Axil answers:

        Besides hydrogen, many other elements and even various
        chemical compounds can take the form of Rydberg matter.

        For example in the Rossi reactor, I now suspect that the
        ‘secret sauce’ that Rossi tells us catalyzes his reaction is
        cesium in the form of Rydberg matter. I say this because of
        the 400C internal operating temperature range that Rossi says
        his reactor operates at.

        If this internal operating temperature is actually 500C, then
        the reactor may be hot enough for his secret sauce to be
        potassium based Rydberg matter.

        Bob Higgins asked: “With such large orbitals as Rydberg
        electrons occupy, how can such a phenomenon be considered
        inside a nickel lattice?”

        Axil answers:

        This Rydberg matter never gets inside the lattice of the
        micro powder. This complex crystal can grow very large (1).
        It sits on the surface of the pile of micro-powder where
        under the influence of its strong dipole moment, coherent
        electrostatic radiation of just the right frequency lowers
        the coulomb barrier of the nickel nuclei.

        Because this is an electrostatically mediated reaction, only
        the surface of the nickel micro-grain is affected. The
        electromagnetic field cannot penetrate inside the nickel grain.

        But this field does penetrate deeply in and among the various
        grains of the pile of powder to generate a maximized reaction
        with every grain contributing.

        The electrostatic radiation of this dipole moment catalyzes
        the fusion reaction. In detail, this strong dipole moment
        lowers this coulomb barrier of the nuclei of the nickel just
        enough to allow a entangled proton cooper pair to tunnel
        inside the nickel nucleus, but not enough to allow the nickel
        atoms of the lattice to fuse.

        Micro powder allows for a large surface area relative to the
        total volume of nickel. More surface area allows for more
        cold fusion reaction. This is why the use of micro powder is
        a breakthrough in cold fusion technology.

        On page 7 of the reference, this aspect of the experiment is
        revealing:

        “In order to complete the story of transformation, we should
        consider this problem: where does the transformation take
        place, either throughout the whole space of the explosion
        chamber or only in the plasma channel? To answer this
        question, we carried out experiments with uranium salts
        (uranyl sulfate, UO2SO4) [3].”

        The answer that they found was as follows: throughout the
        whole space of the explosion chamber.

        This is to be expected because the coherent dipole moment of
        Rydberg matter is extremely strong and long ranged.  It is
        like an electromagnetic laser beam that can exert its
        influence over a distance of centimeters.


        (1) LeClair said he saw the size of one of his crystals as
        large as a few centimeters.



        On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bob Higgins
        <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com <mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

            Nice posts on the Rydberg effects, Axil.  I like reading
            them.  Please continue posting them.  But, I am
            confused.  Could you can help me understand these questions:
            Rydberg hydrogen has a very loosely bound electron.  How
            would these Rydberg electrons survive high temperature
            phonon collisions without the atom becoming ionized and
            as a result breaking up the condensate?
            With such large orbitals as Rydberg electrons occupy,
            how can such a phenomenon be considered inside a nickel
            lattice?  The electron orbitals would extend greater than
            the nickel lattice spacing.  Other condensates are
possible, but why would you think these are Rydberg? While we know that the LENR appears to happen at the
            surface, and it also appears to require support from
            within the lattice (loading) - so it sounds like some
            kind of condensate effect is needed within the lattice.
            In the NanoSpire case, it is not clear how the H-O-H-O-
            crystals that form are Rydberg.  What evidence supports
            this?  They may be some kind of condensate, but not
            necessarily Rydberg.
            The large dipole moments you describe would certainly
            make it easy for the Rydberg atoms to couple to other
            atoms electronically and form a condensate from that
            coupling.  However, I don't see how that strong dipole
            provides support for the charge evidence that you
            described from NanoSpire.  Can you explain that a little
            more?

                *On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Axil Axil
                <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:*

                    Rydberg matter and the leptonic monopol

                    This post is third in the series on Rydberg
                    matter which includes as follows:

                    Cold Fusion Magic Dust

                    Rydberg matter and cavitation




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