At 07:58 PM 4/11/2012, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
<[email protected]> wrote:
> At 01:34 AM 4/11/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Iwamura's results are certainly interesting and worthy of replication, and
>> there have been replication attempts, some of which appear to have failed
>> (or, in a recent case, just published in the CMNS journal, there was an
>> apparent transmutation product that was identified as being, instead, a
>> molecular ion with similar weight). It's a complicated story that I'm not
>> going to research and write about here.
>>
>>
>> Ah, yes. Â This reminds me of these slides by Apicella and others:
>>
<http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf>http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf.
>> Â A cautionary tale, indeed. Â Thanks for bringing this up. Â Do you have
>> any additional references on this topic, even if you're not following it
>> closely?
>
>
> Well, this is the recent paper:
>
> http://iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf
>
> TOF-SIMS Investigation on Nuclear
Transmutation from Sr to Mo with Deuterium
> Permeation
> through Multi-layered Pd/CaO
>
> A. Murase, N. Takahashi, S. Hibi, T. Hioki, T. Motohiro and J. Kasagi
>
> Page 34. (PDF page 43.)
>
> Disappointing result, eh?
>
> While the book is not absolutely closed, and if Murase et al have correctly
> analyzed their data, this is a true replication. It confirmed Iwamura's
> actual results (the peak at X-96), but demonstrated artifact with more
> careful measurement and analysis.
It is not an exact replication since they used a
different implantation method.
Sure. However, the ion they found could easily
have been the ion identified by Iwamura. While
Iwamura's expectations may not be decisive, I'm
guessing that Iwamura thought their method would work.
It would be silly to attempt a replication with a
variation that the original experimenter thought would *not* work.
In any case, I wrote that the book wasn't closed.
The fundamental point here was that the
identification of transmuted elements can be
quite tricky, when methods of analysis are being
used that are so sensitive that they can find
almost any element almost anywhere. *Quantity* becomes crucial.
