Jed, ...This is a nuclear reactor... we do not differ by much.
This (non)-demonstration would show how far they are wrt regulations. Not far, I guess. The regulatory procedures are quite different in say 100 countries, 30 of them maybe akin to 'first world'. Who does it? DGTG? Probably not, up to now and not in tthe forseeable future. The licensees? Probably not, as long as they do not have deep knowledge. Which nearly by definition they cannot have. 40mio for 300k Hyperions is some real money. Please understand my proposal as provocative. DGT could do the presentation somewhere outside in an empty fabrication hall. This would be not all that exotic. Promoting a device, which is claimed to be inherently save, must be demonstrated somehow. How is ist done in the REAL world? I honestly do not know. This is a boostrap-problem. Peter Gluck advanced the issue considerably, but quite some mysteries remain. And he is an honest man, whom I respect a lot. Is some vague association to WL-theory sufficient to please the doubters? I doubt that. There have been eg attempts to stop the CERN-LHC-Higgs-Boson experiment, because of the risk that black holes might be generated. The orthodox scientific community finally prevailed, because their theory seemed sound enough. Orthodoxy 99.x% vs doubters 0.x%. Now with LENR this is different: This is a 1%-issue against the 99% orthodoxy. Does anybody believe that a contested issue like that conquers the world market in a storm? I dont. This is a complicated 'tri'alectic between practice-theory- society in the works. DGTG has to go into the offensive here, if they have something substantial, with some quirks like (from Peter) ... Radiation measurements:The experimental situation is excellent: no dangerous radiation! However, there is some radiation emitted. I have seen a lot of measurements performed both with NaI spectrometer and Geiger Muller counter and all confirm that a somewhat higher level appears only at triggering. The gammas have a relatively low energy, 50-300 keV. The maximum levels are under those internationally admissible.Is this a proof that the W-L mechanism (gammas converted to IR photons - is true and at work? We will see it soon. ... Well. They cannot, but they must have SOME theory! This is up to the scientific community to decide, which cannot decide if the process is nondisclosed and therefore cannot be not understood/ reproduced. F/P reloaded. Every society must have an underlying belief, which, in our case is the scientific method, which is deeply challenged by LENR. Unresolved. A tricky situation. (please note: my arguments are probabilistic, not yes-no. There are black swans out there. But riding one of those rare creatures is a difficult issue indeed.) Guenter ________________________________ Von: Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Gesendet: 23:34 Dienstag, 17.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Guenter Wildgruber <[email protected]> wrote: The simplest thing would be to show a working Hyperion during the two days. not disclosing anything. >It would be easy to set up such a demonstration, because their claimed COP is >above any doubt, and this is not a milliwatt isue! >Just make coffee or tea with the Hyperion... >THIS would be a demonstration! > >Physical! I do not think any first-world government would allow a demonstration of this nature in a conference hall. I do not think the device has not been tested by the Korean version of UL or by any government safety agency yet. In the modern world, you cannot just run a kilowatt-scale power reactor in front of a group of people in a public space. This is not 1850. This is a nuclear reactor. It will have to be carefully, extensively tested before it can be used in public. It will be tested in fully equipped laboratories first. Even if it was a new kind of combustion reactor you could not set it up and run it in front of a crowd of people without first getting a license and inspection. You can't even run a conventional boiler in an apartment building basement without that! Modern life is filled with red tape. Everywhere you turn there are rules and regulations about every last little thing. Read history, and you will see the wisdom of this. Life is safer and better thanks to all these rules. But the rules are aggravating. Your expectations are highly unrealistic. - Jed
