I'm glad I watched that video to the end, because the first half brought
back bad memories!
I and many Vorts have been following the fringe sci/tech world for decades,
and the first half of this presentation was VERY poor. reminds me of the
charlatans which showed up at the Tesla Society conferences with their
overunity device or whatever, and when their presentation came up, it was,
"aaahh shucks, I was testing the device this morning and something went pop
and I must have burned something out! And we didn't bring any spare parts.
So we won't be able to demonstrate the overunity device, but we will do the
presentation and there are books and CDs if you want more details." That's
why I gave up on that venue 20 years ago. there might have been a few
individuals that had useful stuff, but 90+% was BS.
This looked pretty painful for McKubre! His body language and facial
expressions did not look real relaxed at first. I bet this was so much
different from a room full of PhDs, and *not* in a good way professionally
speaking, that he felt his reputation was suffering! I don't blame him. the
problems with microphones, with the slide presentation and with the
non-playing videos, were so amateurish they would make any professional
engineer/scientist cringe! I know I did, more than once. It wasn't until
the last few minutes that McKubre provided some history of how he got
involved, and that is when I felt the time spent watching it was worth it.
He chose his words carefully as a good scientist will do, but,
**he seemed to be quite sure that this was also a very important and
new kind of phenomenon**.
I applaud Rohner for his efforts and openness to demo this thing, and for
McKubre to even show up and more or less vouch for this kind of thing. 20
years ago, it would have been a career limiting move!
The operation of this device is quite intriguing, especially the video with
Rohner and Dannel Roberts in Rohner's shop. they use a pneumatic cylinder at
120psi (??) for measuring the force, and it is substantial. See this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJM
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJM&feature=plcp> &feature=plcp
This is the kind of thing that causes Vorts to start salivating! Looking
fwd to some discussions about this thing.
-Mark Iverson
From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPY0skKjJU8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPY0skKjJU8&feature=player_detailpage>
&feature=player_detailpage
Rohnermachine.com
Mike and John are the two Rohber brothers who are competing in the
development of the Papp engine. John is developing a two cylinder
horizontally opposed version of the engine. John does not demo his version
of the engine as a business decision but Bob does do demos.
The video shows the Tesla 2012 demo whose YouTube link is listed above. In
it, McKubre is bearing witness as Mike Rohner rambles on about Papp
technology.
Mike Rohber provides incite into Papp's motivations and business thinking
which are interesting.
The demo shows the device that McKubre used to appraise the Papp reaction in
a 20 minute private evaluation with Mike.
At 1: 03 into the long video, McKubre states his position as an advocate of
the Papp engine stating that it is based on a nuclear process. McHubre sites
Cecil Baumgartner a first hand witness to the Feynman test for his initial
interest in the engine.
A first hand eye witness to the Dr. Rickard P. Feynman ill fated demo said
Dr. Feynman actually kills that poor unlucky by-stander when he pulled the
power plug which in tern disables the control electronics on the Papp engine
and the engine over-revs. The engine eventually blows a rod the killed the
guy. Cal Tech removed all records of the incident to protect Feynman and so
died the Papp engine in the science community.
As a personal opinion, McKubre deserves some credit, He has a open mind and
is not fixated on the deuterium LENR reaction.
Cheers: Axil
