Mark,
I had similar apprehension but the demonstration itself was
pretty convincing -I don't think the energy consumption of the ignition ckt was
much different open air vs driving a weight up and I agree with Rhoner that the
instant reversal of the piston ahead of the weight as the gases contract is
telling us something - I don't agree anything is necessarily being consumed
even from a nuclear perspective as McKubre is suggesting but would posit this
is the same catalytic/Casimir geometry we see in the Mills/Rossi designs...only
the medium has changed such that we have anomalous displacement / expansion of
gas instead of temperature changes but it is still all just manipulating the
variables in gas law - where Mills and Rossi contain the PV forcing t to
change this device contains Pt forcing the v to change. We have all been told
that the random motion of gas is due to VP fluctuations below the plank scale
[HUP] and are not exploitable but I am convinced that Casimir geometry
accumulates and segregates the isotropy such that these zero point fluctuations
can be exploited by gas atoms exposed to these regions in a biased manner. IMHO
The plasma forms layers like the argon layers Rhoner makes mention of that are
in constant motion with trapped ions in between forming dynamic menisci of
Casimir geometry that constantly alter the fractional [inverse Rydberg] state
of the ions .. you can take your pick after that whether it be Mills like
hydrino ions in collision, Haisch - Moller Lamb Pinch, or something similar to
the MAHG oscilation between bond states only with noble gas I guess this would
be between ionic and noble states.
Fran
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine
I'm glad I watched that video to the end, because the first half brought back
bad memories!
I and many Vorts have been following the fringe sci/tech world for decades, and
the first half of this presentation was VERY poor... reminds me of the
charlatans which showed up at the Tesla Society conferences with their
overunity device or whatever, and when their presentation came up, it was,
"aaahh shucks, I was testing the device this morning and something went pop and
I must have burned something out! And we didn't bring any spare parts... ; So
we won't be able to demonstrate the overunity device, but we will do the
presentation and there are books and CDs if you want more details." That's why
I gave up on that venue 20 years ago... there might have been a few individuals
that had useful stuff, but 90+% was BS.
This looked pretty painful for McKubre! His body language and facial
expressions did not look real relaxed at first. I bet this was so much
different from a room full of PhDs, and *not* in a good way professionally
speaking, that he felt his reputation was suffering! I don't blame him... the
problems with microphones, with the slide presentation and with the non-playing
videos, were so amateurish they would make any professional eng ineer/scientist
cringe! I know I did, more than once. It wasn't until the last few minutes
that McKubre provided some history of how he got involved, and that is when I
felt the time spent watching it was worth it. He chose his words carefully as
a good scientist will do, but,
**he seemed to be quite sure that this was also a very important and new
kind of phenomenon**.
I applaud Rohner for his efforts and openness to demo this thing, and for
McKubre to even show up and more or less vouch for this kind of thing... 20
years ago, it would have been a career limiting move!
The operation of this device is quite intriguing, especially the video with
Rohner and Dannel Roberts in Rohner's shop... they use a pneumatic cylinder at
120psi (??) for measuring the force, and it is substantial. See this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJM&feature=plcp
This is the kind of thin g that causes Vorts to start salivating! Looking fwd
to some discussions about this thing...
-Mark Iverson
From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:59 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPY0skKjJU8&feature=player_detailpage
Rohnermachine.com
Mike and John are the two Rohber brothers who are competing in the development
of the Papp engine. John is developing a two cylinder horizontally opposed
version of the engine. John does not demo his version of the engine as a
business decision but Bob does do demos.
The video shows the Tesla 2012 demo whose YouTube link is listed above. In it,
McKubre is bearing witness as Mike Rohner rambles on about Papp technology.
Mike Rohber provides incite into Papp's motivations and business thinking which
are interesting.
The demo shows the device that McKubre used to appraise the Papp reaction in a
20 minute private evaluation with Mike.
At 1: 03 into the long video, McKubre states his position as an advocate of
the Papp engine stating th at it is based on a nuclear process. McHubre sites
Cecil Baumgartner a first hand witness to the Feynman test for his initial
interest in the engine.
A first hand eye witness to the Dr. Rickard P. Feynman ill fated demo said Dr.
Feynman actually kills that poor unlucky by-stander when he pulled the power
plug which in tern disables the control electronics on the Papp engine and the
engine over-revs. The engine eventually blows a rod the killed the guy. Cal
Tech removed all records of the incident to protect Feynman and so died the
Papp engine in the science community.
As a personal opinion, McKubre deserves some credit, He has a open mind and is
not fixated on the deuterium LENR reaction.
Cheers: Axil
