At 12:49 PM 10/2/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 07:57 AM 10/2/2012, [email protected] wrote:
It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products
were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of
2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products,
no independent tests by a reputable group.
From: Akira Shirakawa <[email protected]>
Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should
come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting
much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it
costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments.
It's still "wait and see" time.
a) The "warm" 1MW IS still listed for sale.
b) The "warm" 1MW now has SOME kind of safety certification
c) Something is happening on the "hot" eCat front
d) We all said Rossi was nuts to sell directly to consumers without
a UL (or equivalent) certification, which would take a long time
e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So
Rossi must be faking something real?)
My responses:
a. Means nothing. It takes nothing to "list" something for sale.
b. Safety certification can be obtained with a nonfunctional product.
c. "Something is happening" means more of the same old same old.
d. Sure, in a way. But "direct to consumers" is not the first place
to sell a product, plus it's possible to sell investigational
products to "consumers" who are willing to accept risks. "Selling
directly to consumers" would not mean, without safety certification,
mass-marketing of a product. The "consumers" would really be the
adventurous. And a sane seller would make sure that all risks were
documented, that there was adequate provision for safety, even if
that might be expensive.
e. Yes. Rossi "might" be faking something real. Excess energy from
NiH was reported long ago. That someone saw real or imagined excess
energy tells us *nothing* about whether Rossi is getting excess
energy. Rossi's claims, it should be recognized, were outliers, he
was reporting far more energy than ever before seen, and implying
that it was reliable. I do not think that Rossi is pure fraud, though
it remains possible. Rather, more likely, it would explain much of
his behavior, and the delays, he has exaggerated what he has, in some
ways at least (saying that such and such will be ready on such and
such a date is a form of exaggeration if that's not actually
reasonable), and perhaps even to the extent of sometimes faking results.
It's important to get this: that NiH might be real is no indicator at
all of Rossi's honesty. None.
Rossi has successfully created the appearance of being a con artist.
Some of his defenders think that he is doing this deliberately, to
throw off would--be "snakes" who might otherwise try to imitate his
work and steal his rights.
And those of us who don't have solid inside information, from
independent sources, must consider that sometimes appearances are
real. I can't tell the difference between a fake con artist and a
real one, and, in fact, both are fakes, that's all I can tell.
*Something* is fake here. (Or Rossi is totally stupid and unaware of
how he's making himself look. Possible, perhaps, but not likely.)
Rossi could quickly bypass all this by simply allowing independent
verification of his claims. He hasn't done it.
No, Rossi, at this point, stands exposed as someone who has no
credibility. He did announce that it would all be over last October,
that there would be no more room for doubt. He stood on this as an
argument and a defense. "You will all know."
We don't know, except that we know nothing. We know that his
prediction was false. He could easily recover, but doesn't, he just
keeps on with the same bluster and confidence. As in "confidence
game," or "con game." Con artists are those who design ways of
gaining confidence, and people are con artists because it works.
And this has practically nothing to do with science. Rossi has not
provided or allowed the gathering of the necessary scientific data to
understand the effect behind his heat claims. We have little, if
anything, more from Defkalion, though Defkalion *looks* more
credible. From Brillouin, we have even more information, though still
not enough.
NiH is far from an established, accepted phenomenon, compared to PdD.
PdD may never be commercially practical as an approach, but we can be
confident that fusion is actually taking place with PdD, the
heavily-confirmed data leads to a *practical* certainty.
NiH is clearly a promising approach, worthy of continued
investigation. But we should not shut down PdD research, because of
the scientific implications. Knowing and understanding what is
happening in PdD remains a crucial research goal, and it might apply
to or elucidate what happens with NiH.
