At 02:38 AM 12/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:
OK, I guess that I am modifying my beliefs as we consider the
implications of this system. I think you are correct in the
assumption that the mass of the ship does not reach infinity at the
horizon. If we assume that no energy is created out of thin air
then the mass of the ship must increase significantly as it reaches
the boundary. This must be true since the velocity of the ship
becomes zero at that point
See, you are assuming that's true. Why? Because someone said so? I am
*not* saying that it's false. I don't know that. But I know that we
cannot reason from what we do not grasp.
and all of the gravitational energy due to the initial location of
the ship at the beginning point of its journey must be converted
into mass. This could be calculated, and it definitely is not
infinity but is substantially greater than when at rest in our vicinity.
Again, you need to think about each observer and what they
perceive. We need to have our laws of physics to be in effect
during our observations and the other guys need the same. So far,
the only way that this seems likely is for time dilation to work
overtime. I suspect that the red shift is a stand in for time
dilation on board the ship, but I do not recall seeing that
proven. If it is true, then we have an easy technique to employ.
I doubt it. But time dilation on the ship and red shift can be related.
I now tend to think that the space guy can impact with the black
hole, but that it will take forever for this to happen from our
perspective. If he had a jar full of muons, they would never decay
as far as we could tell while he is near that boundary. Too bad for
him, but the muons would not be able to save him from extinction in
a very short time period. Then again, he might live for essentially
ever from our point of view which is an extension to his normal life
span in our environment. My father used to tell us kids that time
passes faster and faster as you get older. Now I understand what he meant.
The curvature of space might somehow enter into this discussion but
I am not sure how to think of its effect. I am confident that time
dilation is a factor, but perhaps the distances are modified as
well. That is an area to consider.
You know what I think of sources that say that things are
meaningless don't you? That translates into I do not know and
please do not ask me again.
Things are meaningless. We create meaning. I don't know bleep, but
you may ask me again.
It is late and my mind is becoming mush.
That happens, I know all too well. However, I had a standing joke
with a friend, it would come up when he said something like this.
My friend, your mind is not becoming mush, it's already mush and has
always been mush.
Things actually get much easier with the realization that we are
self-important mush.
