That sounds like a pretty hard way to leave this world ChemE. Have you considered what it would be like to approach a massive black hole? If the black hole is large and massive enough the event horizon as viewed from the far away sites might not have such a dramatic gravitational gradient. I have not given that much thought, but it seems likely that the approach would be milder with less variation in gravitational strength as you head inward to the boundary.
If a photon left the surface of the black hole and headed outward in a vector along the radius what would happen to it? Could the energy rapidly be drained as it headed outward until there is nothing left? What would happen to the energy once things settled down? I assume that it would still be in existence within some region. What are your thoughts? Dave -----Original Message----- From: ChemE Stewart <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon Radiation will kill you before you get to the surface and gravity will shred you and you will accrete around the hole until you are completely entropified and that is what will be imprinted on the surface. That will take awhile with many black holes because as their surface area gets smaller they suffer from indigestion Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Wednesday, December 26, 2012, David Roberson wrote: We both agree that nothing will happen to the ship itself unless tidal forces tear it apart. That has not been an issue and I am not sure of why you start with the assumption that I think it will. You must have misunderstood my statement. I suppose I could have made it in a clearer manner. The ship itself will never think it reaches the ultimate boundary but we will see radiation emitted by it become red shifted until no more detectable energy comes our way from it. That is what I refer to as blink out of existence, not actually be destroyed. This process with take an infinite amount of time to complete so I guess theoretically it is always detectable until the noise hides what is left of the low frequency energy. The mass of the ship will appear to become infinite to us as it fades into the noise and the spaceman will appear to freeze in place due to time dilation. From our perspective, the ship becomes frozen at what we believe is the event horizon, although the other closer observers will not agree with our location determination. Once before a long time ago you strongly disagreed with the idea of time dilation for a traveler as he enters a black hole. I suspect that you now realize that this must occur. Yes, I see that now you understand that the spaceman nearing what we considered the event horizon sees to the other side. He can continue to communicate with the first guy that started ahead of him on the journey and report back to us. That is what I have been trying to prove all along. Who said off topic discussions are not interesting and educational? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]>; vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon At 05:55 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: >That makes it a bit more complicated. I was referring to the exact >radius at which light can not escape from a non spinning black hole >as observed from far away. If a space ship reaches that radius from >our perspective, it would totally blink out of existence. No. Actually, nothing happens to the spaceship. Neglecting tidal forces or other effects from the environment near a black hole, it doesn't even experience the event horizon as anything special. Ummm.... it might start to see things that can't be seen from outside. Like what is in the hole and what is on the other side. What happens is that the space ship becomes unobservable to us, except the mass is still there. The mass of the black hole increases by it. If I'm correct, gravity is the only observable that remains.
