That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a
call to Idolatry beautiful. A muslim call to prayer is a call to pray to a
false god (allah the moon god) in front of an idol (kabah - a meteroite
stone.)
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
Jojo, you do not speak for "true Christians." I know many Christians and
others who find the Muslim call to prayer beautiful.
On Jan 1, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Other than what he wrote in his autobiography, no. But his autobiography
is a revealing work into his psyche.
He mentioned that the muslim call to prayer was the "most beautiful" sound
he has heard. High praise from a supposed "Christian". Beautiful in that
the music or melody is beautiful, but beautiful in the sense of worship it
inspires.
I can tell you now that a true Christian will NOT find a call to prayer to
a moon god "beaustiful" and inspiring.
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
This is incorrect, Jojo.
Do you have any evidence for your assertion that President Obama is a
Muslim?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
His own autobiography says that he went to muslim school in Indonesia.
You can't go to muslim school unless you're muslim.
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
On what evidence do you base your assertion that President Obama is a
Muslim?
On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
No, I am not stating that the "President" is a muslim. I am stating
that the Usurper is a muslim. We currently don't have a legitimate
president; we have a usurper sitting on the throne.
Why doesn't he just come clean? He could do this with a single 2 minute
phone call to the Hawaiian authorities to open access to his vault BC.
He can quickly end this controversy, establish his legitimacy, kill the
Birther movement and start the healing of the nation. He can do all
that in 2 minutes, yet he spends over 4 million dollars of Tax payer's
money to block access to this vault BC. Why block access to such an
innocuous document? WHY indeed?
He won't because he can't. This is the pattern of a corrupt leader
proped up by a corrupt shadow government strengthened by corrupt demonic
forces.
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
Are you stating that the President is Muslim?
On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything
related to previous and current presidents. Anything about this
current president is covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release
information about Obama's BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the
corrupt right henchman) or thru the Presidential counsel; for
approval. This is the veil of corruption surrounding this
usurper-in-thief and people like lomax are gving him a pass. I'm not
surprised as lies are OK for Lomax as long as it helps prop up his
illegitimate usurper muslim president.
Jojo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately
after he took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush
Executive Order 13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to
specifically require his approval before release of any information,
obstensively because of "Executive Privelege".
Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly.
"Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type,
where located, and by whom?
Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly
have you debunked? .... you blatant liar.
No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you
claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive
Order did not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically.
[...]
Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies
you'll come up next.
You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You
have acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a
dramatic image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here.
You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks
access to Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to
which you are responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails
to apologize, or point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he
is, effectively, a liar."
Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to
apply to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here
right in front of us, no more research should be necessary.
But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive
Order that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That
access is blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is
true, I think, in all states). Some access to records is blocked by
HIPAA, a federal law relating to the privacy of medical records, and
there are other laws protecting the privacy of certain records, but no
relevant Executive Order that does what Jojo claims.
He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn.
THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 21, 2009
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - -
PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and
the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish
policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive
privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the
release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records
Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of
1978, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Definitions. For
purposes of this order:
(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his
designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records
Administration.
(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records
Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing
the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials
maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act,
including Vice Presidential records.
(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose
term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's
disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security
(including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the
deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may
be taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When
the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents
of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section
1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines
provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any
specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a
substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this
order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former
Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials
not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the
incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the
Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the
Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy
of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the
former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the
passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former
Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records,
the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless
during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of
executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the
Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his
designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason
for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period
of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section
1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in
the notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon
receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the
Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General
for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President
shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the
notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other
executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether
invocation of executive privilege is justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the
exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and
consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly
determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified.
The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President
believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive
privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the
Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the
Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the
Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of
privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates.
After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the
privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President
or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon
receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former
President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General
(through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal
Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive
agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the
Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former
President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the
Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any
determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege
shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice
the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's
claim of privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this
section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by
the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by
a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and
former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to
disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period
is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the
NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President
shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the
President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney
General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for
the former President shall be delivered to the former President or
his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be
construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head
thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of
Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or
legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law
and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is
not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,
substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any
party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or
entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is
revoked.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable
age
Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo
Jaro believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively
and with evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an
actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar.
Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't
actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive
Order to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault
copy of the original long form certificate.
[...]
At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a
democrat, strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther
movement once and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's
vault BC. Guess what? Even he can't penetrate the veil of
corruption Obama has put up to block access to his vault records.
Why is there an executive order to block access to Obama's vault
BC.
Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite
odd. Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian
officials, unless a federal issue could be shown. and this would
not qualify.
Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is
preventing access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there
an "Executive Order to block access."
What can be found on this?
and then I went into detail, with links....
