This is incorrect, Jojo. Do you have any evidence for your assertion that President Obama is a Muslim?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > His own autobiography says that he went to muslim school in Indonesia. You > can't go to muslim school unless you're muslim. > > > > > Jojo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies > > > On what evidence do you base your assertion that President Obama is a Muslim? > > > On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > >> No, I am not stating that the "President" is a muslim. I am stating that >> the Usurper is a muslim. We currently don't have a legitimate president; we >> have a usurper sitting on the throne. >> >> Why doesn't he just come clean? He could do this with a single 2 minute >> phone call to the Hawaiian authorities to open access to his vault BC. He >> can quickly end this controversy, establish his legitimacy, kill the >> Birther movement and start the healing of the nation. He can do all that in >> 2 minutes, yet he spends over 4 million dollars of Tax payer's money to >> block access to this vault BC. Why block access to such an innocuous >> document? WHY indeed? >> >> He won't because he can't. This is the pattern of a corrupt leader proped >> up by a corrupt shadow government strengthened by corrupt demonic forces. >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >> >> >> Are you stating that the President is Muslim? >> >> >> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: >> >>> Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything related >>> to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current president >>> is covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release information about >>> Obama's BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the corrupt right henchman) >>> or thru the Presidential counsel; for approval. This is the veil of >>> corruption surrounding this usurper-in-thief and people like lomax are >>> gving him a pass. I'm not surprised as lies are OK for Lomax as long as it >>> helps prop up his illegitimate usurper muslim president. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >>> >>> >>>> At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>> Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately after he >>>>> took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush Executive Order >>>>> 13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to specifically require >>>>> his approval before release of any information, obstensively because of >>>>> "Executive Privelege". >>>> >>>> Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly. >>>> >>>> "Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type, where >>>> located, and by whom? >>>> >>>>> Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly >>>>> have you debunked? .... you blatant liar. >>>> >>>> No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you >>>> claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive Order >>>> did not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically. >>>> >>>> [...] >>>>> Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies you'll >>>>> come up next. >>>> >>>> You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You >>>> have acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a >>>> dramatic image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here. >>>> >>>> You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks access >>>> to Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to which you >>>> are responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails to apologize, >>>> or point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a >>>> liar." >>>> >>>> Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to apply >>>> to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here right in >>>> front of us, no more research should be necessary. >>>> >>>> But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive Order >>>> that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That access is >>>> blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is true, I think, in >>>> all states). Some access to records is blocked by HIPAA, a federal law >>>> relating to the privacy of medical records, and there are other laws >>>> protecting the privacy of certain records, but no relevant Executive Order >>>> that does what Jojo claims. >>>> >>>> He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn. >>>> >>>>> THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary >>>>> >>>>> For Immediate Release January 21, 2009 >>>>> >>>>> EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - - >>>>> >>>>> PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS >>>>> >>>>> By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the >>>>> laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies >>>>> and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by >>>>> incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of >>>>> Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration >>>>> (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby >>>>> ordered as follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: >>>>> >>>>> (a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his >>>>> designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records >>>>> Administration. >>>>> >>>>> (c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 >>>>> U.S.C. 2201-2207. >>>>> >>>>> (d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the >>>>> Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270. >>>>> >>>>> (e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials >>>>> maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including >>>>> Vice Presidential records. >>>>> >>>>> (f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term >>>>> or terms of office particular Presidential records were created. >>>>> >>>>> (g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's >>>>> disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security >>>>> (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the >>>>> deliberative processes of the executive branch. >>>>> >>>>> (h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be >>>>> taken. >>>>> >>>>> Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the >>>>> Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his >>>>> intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of >>>>> the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the >>>>> incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, >>>>> the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of >>>>> executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect >>>>> the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive >>>>> privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. >>>>> Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to >>>>> the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney >>>>> General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal >>>>> Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be >>>>> delivered to the former President or his designated representative. (b) >>>>> Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former >>>>> Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the >>>>> Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during >>>>> that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive >>>>> privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been >>>>> instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time >>>>> period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time >>>>> provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the >>>>> circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the >>>>> Archivist shall so indicate in the notice. >>>>> >>>>> Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon >>>>> receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the >>>>> Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for >>>>> the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall >>>>> review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and >>>>> consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies >>>>> as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive >>>>> privilege is justified. >>>>> >>>>> (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the >>>>> exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and >>>>> consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine >>>>> that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist >>>>> shall be notified promptly of any such determination. >>>>> >>>>> (c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President >>>>> believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive >>>>> privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel >>>>> to the President and the Attorney General. >>>>> >>>>> (d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel >>>>> to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and >>>>> the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the >>>>> specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such >>>>> notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless >>>>> directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order. >>>>> >>>>> Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon >>>>> receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, >>>>> the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the >>>>> Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel >>>>> to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist >>>>> deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether >>>>> to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose >>>>> the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any >>>>> determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege >>>>> shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the >>>>> Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of >>>>> privilege. >>>>> >>>>> (b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this >>>>> section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the >>>>> incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final >>>>> court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former >>>>> Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of >>>>> the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the >>>>> circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. >>>>> Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to >>>>> the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney >>>>> General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal >>>>> Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be >>>>> delivered to the former President or his designated representative. >>>>> >>>>> Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed >>>>> to impair or otherwise affect: >>>>> >>>>> (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head >>>>> thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management >>>>> and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals. >>>>> >>>>> (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and >>>>> subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not >>>>> intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or >>>>> procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the >>>>> United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, >>>>> employees, or agents, or any other person. >>>>> >>>>> Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked. >>>>> >>>>> BARACK OBAMA >>>>> >>>>> THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro >>>>>> believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with >>>>>> evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual order >>>>>> doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar. >>>> >>>> Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't >>>> actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive >>>> Order to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault copy >>>> of the original long form certificate. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: >>>>>>> At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>>>>> Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a democrat, >>>>>>>> strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther movement once >>>>>>>> and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's vault BC. Guess what? >>>>>>>> Even he can't penetrate the veil of corruption Obama has put up to >>>>>>>> block access to his vault records. Why is there an executive order to >>>>>>>> block access to Obama's vault BC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite odd. >>>>>>> Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian officials, unless >>>>>>> a federal issue could be shown. and this would not qualify. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is >>>>>> preventing access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there an >>>>>> "Executive Order to block access." >>>>>> >>>>>> What can be found on this? >>>> >>>> and then I went into detail, with links.... >>>> >>> >> >> > >
