But El is not the name of the God of Israel. El is a generic word, not a proper name. The proper name of the God of Israel is Jehovah.
Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies The god El, has also very polytheistic origins. Not that its also related to the name Allah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity) There are plenty of bibliography in that page to corroborate with that information. 2013/1/2 Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> Lomax claims that it matters not what allah's origins were. OK. Because it is clear from archeological evidence that allah (al-ilah) was the pagan moon god of arabs. He had 3 daughters that the koran initially said should be worshipped. Later muhammed abrogated those verses saying that he was deceived by Satan. Funny, can't allah, the supposed almighty god, protect his prophet from deception. Can't allah keep his word (koran) pure from error? The kabah was where these pagans worshipped al-ilah. The pagans walked around kabah stone just like the muslim do today. My friends, if you are reading this, please research this yourself. Don't believe me, check it out yourself. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies At 04:11 AM 1/2/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote: That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a call to Idolatry beautiful. A muslim call to prayer is a call to pray to a false god (allah the moon god) in front of an idol (kabah - a meteroite stone.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman Is the call to prayer a call to idolatry? This brings up the Moon God Allah argument, recognized immediately here, over six months ago, as bigotry. The claim is that "Allah" is a Moon God, allegedly because it was a name for a pre-Islamic god of the moon. That is arguing that the referent of a word is controlled by its etymology. So if someone says, "Hey, Dennis is a great guy!" they are praising Dionysius, the Greek God. Idolatry! No, Allah, *regardless of origin* -- and we don't care about origin, we care about *present meaning* -- is God, and that's not in controversy among Christians who speak Arabic, *except for those afflicted by the present claims.* Very modern. And we do not have an idol in mind when we face Mecca, and the verse that commands this only refers to the *direction*. It does not command worship of the Ancient House. It says to face "the direction of the Sacred Masjid." (Mosque is not an Arabic word, Masjid means, "place of prayer." I once had a prayer carpet, given to me by a Pakistani Muslim to whom it was a beloved object, and it had a picture of the House on it. I had this carpet for years, but it always, when I used it, didn't feel right. So, years later, because I knew it was important to him, he had prayed with it all over the world, I gave it back to him. He was insulted, it was part of an unfortunate sequence of events. This was over thirty years ago, by the way. We don't worship the House, we don't even worship the direction, we merely face it, as best we know. We seek direction from God, and we respond to what God has commanded. Ka'aba does not mean a stone. It means cube, and refers to the overall shape of the whole House. There is an ancient stone set in a corner of the Ka'aba. It performs no central role in Islam. Because there is a tradition that the stone was *reset* in the corner of the Cube by action of the Prophet -- he didn't actually do it himself, rather he arbitrated a dispute on who would be allowed to do it, *before his mission* -- there are those who touch this stone, to touch a place where Muhammad may have touched. That's a traditional practice, and could be considered a kind of worship, but they would never do this as part of the prayer, it would be forbidden. We don't worship the stone. I do not recall *ever* thinking of the stone while in prayer. So, again, Jojo is just tossing mud. He's actually claiming that many of my friends, people I've known well, who are Christian and who even disagree with me on theology, greatly, are actually *not Christians,* but only because they don't agree with Jojo. That is, in fact, such an un-Christian position that I'm going to assert: Jojo is not a TRUE Christian. And that's been totally obvious for a long time. Jojo is not following Jesus, he's not imitating Jesus, he's not teaching what Jesus taught, he's not demonstrating what Jesus demonstrated, he is, by pretending to be a Christian, *defaming* the Christian religion. That he may be pretending this even to himself would only demonstrate the depth of his denial. (As certain Muslims do with Islam through their own extremities.) -- Daniel Rocha - RJ [email protected]
