Paul, we have to start somewhere with some assumptions. ALL theories are based on assumptions, some less plausible than others. These are the assumptions I start with. They are plausible and allow the options for a model to be reduced to useful numbers.

On Feb 22, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Paul Breed wrote:

I'm not saying that external energy is required, only that setting that as a unconditional unquestioned principal upon which one is going to accept or reject theories seems weak, especially because we know that in some cases the addition of energy accelerates the process.

Starting a process is entirely different from increasing its rate, as you know from chemistry. These two processes generally have no relationship to each other. Why assume they are related during LENR?

If one accepts Defklions or Ross'is claims at all they seem to be able to turn it on and off at will...
Same with Brilliuons phase one published experiments...

None of these examples is based on any more than hearsay. We have no details. I'm using only information that is not in doubt.

Suppose the NAE is a resonance of some kind....

The NAE is a PLACE. It is NOT a condition. A resonance can occur INSIDE of the NAE. You need to apply the concepts as they are intended.

A very high Q "perfect" resonant structure of exactly the right size will start or run with just minor thermal excitation...
and be maintained by the coupling from the effect it creates.

The fusion process has a beginning and an ending. It is not continuous. Once the He forms, the reaction must stop until the He leaves the site and more D takes its place.

Ed

A less perfect slightly lower Q structure might run with a tiny tickle of the right excitation....

An even less perfect much lower Q structure might allow transmutations, but not energy gain when properly stimulated....

Experiments like the arc transmutations and the hydrogen xray tube neutron generator experiments seem to do LENR without
having to specially prepare or otherwise coddle the material.....








On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Do you think that a random comic ray would start a process at one single site in a material that causes steady release of watts of power? Cosmic rays do not even initiate chemical reactions. For example TNT is completely stable in spite of being bombarded continuously. Of course, imagination can suggest all kinds of process, but a little common sense has to be used. Otherwise, no progress will be made,.

Ed

On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Paul Breed wrote:

I would question assumption #5
 5. The process does not require applied energy to be initiated

With start up times measured in days...I don't think you can say that, ie a random cosmic ray,
or stray energy from anywhere..... could kick it off....

I would also question the complete rejection of the neutron creation branch of theory....
I found the following to be somewhat interesting in this realm...
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-ca-1950ssternglass-exptseinstein-bethenov-25-2011



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