On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:19 PM, David Roberson wrote:

You pose an interesting question. Perhaps the fresh helium leads to an increase in the number of NAE that form due to its interaction with the metal. Who knows?

If enough helium forms, this will certainly be true. However, this requires the effect run for a long time without this aid.

I have long wondered if evidence exists for a limited chain reaction of some sort since some of the earlier surface pictures appeared to demonstrate explosive crater formations.

Two kinds of surface effects occur. Some are caused by material depositing from an impure electrolyte at the site of H2 loss from a crack. Others are caused by local melting produced by a very high concentration of NAE. These two types are easy to separate.

Perhaps Ed or someone has seen very strong evidence that each LENR event is entirely independent of the next one and limited in scale to just one helium formation. Is anyone aware of evidence in support to this hypothesis?

The local areas flash off and on in apparently random ways, as been seen and measured by Szpak et al.

I could imagine that some form of precursor event is required before another can be initiated. Perhaps our favorite spark plug in the form of a cosmic ray deposits the secret ingredient that then allows for the follow up LENR action. No one could doubt that a cosmic ray has sufficient energy to trigger a small nuclear fusion reaction. We need to be careful not to automatically reject such a nuclear event as being inconsistent since no high energy radiation is evident. I would contend that a cosmic ray represents a very high level of high energy radiation by itself.

Before you speculate too much, Dave, you really need to understand all that has been discovered and observed. I spent 23 years doing this, so my model is not based on casual ideas.

Ed

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Breed <p...@rasdoc.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:explaining LENR -III

>The fusion process has a beginning and an ending. It is not continuous. Once the He forms, the reaction must stop until the He leaves the site and more D takes its place.

Has anyone melted a working cathode to see if it contains any trapped He? We all believe LENR is a surface effect, but its possible that its a bulk effect, that only works once then is dependent on giving He a way to escape to the surface?






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