Harry,
I have not given much thought about free electrons. The example that we were discussing was of an electron trapped in orbit around a nucleus which then would have the positive charge of the nucleus to keep it together. I think that Mills offers incite into how this type of electron configuration would exist. Quantum mechanics offers an alternate model. I have not convinced myself of exactly what is happening but perhaps one day I can reach an acceptable understanding. It seems that there is about as much reason for a point charge to tear itself apart as there would be for a distributed one to do so. The fact that the spin can be worked with independent of the charge suggests that there is a volume of some type being occupied by the electron pieces. Maybe it is just an entangled group of components that looks like one particle when measured. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harry Veeder <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:23 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories Dave, a continous charge distribution presents another problem. Why doesn't this _electric form_ spontaneously distintergrate from internal repulsion? I can think of two solutions: a) the electric form has a distinct hypothetical internal structure which binds it together, b) or the electric form has two fundamental characteristics. The contents of the electric form are self-attractive but those contents appear repulsive to other electric forms. My preference is for the latter because it is less complicated and more evocative. Harry On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:22 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > Harry, > > The answer to your first question is yes. > > If the charge rotation is about a dimension that is not along the > circumference of the wheel then I think it would radiate in the far field. > I have never considered that type of movement before, but I am confident > that there would not be enough points(2) along the direction of rotation to > balance out in the far field. Had the charge been continuous over the > entire surface then the far field would balance out. You ask an interesting > question. > > When I visualize a system of this type I attempt to see if it is possible to > deconstruct the charge movement into individual loops that are continuous. > If this can be done, then the far field will balance out and you will only > have a near field magnetic effect. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Veeder <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 12:07 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other > theories > > Dave, > I did not know that. So, for example, a uniformly charged circular > ring spinning like a wheel will not radiate? > Will it radiate if it is rotating about its diameter? > > Harry > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Harry, it is certainly true that the current flows in a loop. The >> important >> issue is that each tiny portion of the loop radiates a signal as it >> accelerates, but that the integration of all of the individual signals >> balance out and results in no net radiation. A circular loop of current >> will thus demonstrate a near field which is the magnetic moment of the >> loop, >> but does not generate a far field of radiation. The near field component >> of >> the signal does not result in energy loss with time. >> >> The motion of a single point charge does result in a far field radiation >> pattern since it accelerates along the circular path and does not have a >> balancing mechanism. The trick is in the balance. >> >> For the above reasons there would be no energy loss as a result of the >> current flow if it consisted of a continuous charge distribution orbiting >> a >> nucleus. That is not true for a point charge following the same path. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Harry Veeder <[email protected]> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2013 10:28 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other >> theories >> >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:00 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Harry, >>> >>> An electron would not spiral into the nucleus if it is a continuous >>> charge >>> instead of a point source. Think of it as a steady DC current which >>> generates a magnetic field that does not radiate energy like an >>> accelerated >>> charge. This model is likely not correct, but it would achieve what you >>> are >>> discussing. >>> >>> Dave >> >> All current flows in a loop so acceleration must occur in some zones >> in the loop. >> >> Harry >> >
