Check out neutron star densities.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 27, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature You can pack a "zillion" protons into a tiny space. No, protons need to pair with neutrons to get close; that is how they form nuclei. Hydrogen will form metal hybrid chemically. But then they are not mobile anymore. All the above does not apply to neutrons. Neutrons cannot be packed by the zillions into a tiny space. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:20 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: If you are dealing with hydrogen in an NAE, is it necessary to consider it as being the size of a hydrogen atom in free space or can you treat it as a far smaller proton? You can pack a "zillion" protons into a tiny space. I would expect hydrogen to be different than any other element when contained within a metal matrix. It only has one electron in orbit and it just seems likely that this single electron could be "lost" within the metal atoms surrounding the nucleus. It is not hard to imagine that the proton charge would be neutralized or shielded by the activity of many electrons from the adjacent metal atoms. If this happens, then why not expect more protons to be able to occupy a region closer than normal to each other when so confined and shielded. I guess the trick would be associated with the interaction of the metal electrons. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature There is a basic falsity in the LENR+ particle argument be it neutron or protons. You cannot pack the volume of particles needed to produce the energy demonstrated in the LENR+ systems into those small NAE cavities at the volumes needed because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle. It is like packing 10 lbs. of crap into a one oz. bag. LENR cannot be based on particles entering into a nucleus. For those who want to play with numbers, run a calculation that determines the maximum density of protons or neutron that are allowed by the PEP into the NAE and then determine the number of NAE that are required to produce 10 kilowatts per second. You will find that the numbers just don’t add up. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:26 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: I agree with the first order of business you state. The second one could depend upon how quickly a reaction takes place since the vibration is a mechanical response to the temperature of the metal. The kinetic energy of a nucleus should be something that can be calculated and I would suspect that its rate of movement is determined by the forcing function which is a relatively slow process. I believe that a quantum mechanical action occurs so fast that the slow motion vibration of the nucleus is not important. I compare this to taking a snap shot of the instantaneous position and velocity of the nucleus. My visualization is that the quantum mechanical formula defining the behavior takes a quick look at the nucleus and nearby neutron and acts when they are in the best proper condition relative to each other. Of course if this process is slow, then my concept would not be valid and something in line with your second order would be appropriate. Has the time frame for quantum mechanical activities of this nature been determined? Another question: has the time frame for any quantum mechanical coupling been measured? That is the first question. I have read that entangled particles react at speeds in excess of light or considered instantaneous at great distances. Would this behavior be considered typical? Dave -----Original Message----- From: James Bowery <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: I have to question how one is able to have stationary neutrons. I assume that you refer to neutrons that are stationary relative to our frame of observation. Relative to the statistical position of the mass of which they are a part. One question that I keep asking is how quickly does a quantum mechanical effect take place? The first order of business is: What is the formula for the nuclear strong force vs distance between a nickel nucleus and a neutron? The second order of business is: When a nickel nucleus is vibrating in solid nickel, what is its spatial probability density function?
