Check out neutron star temperatures. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Check out neutron star densities. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Mar 27, 2013 2:37 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature > > *You can pack a "zillion" protons into a tiny space.* > No, protons need to pair with neutrons to get close; that is how they form > nuclei. > Hydrogen will form metal hybrid chemically. But then they are not mobile > anymore. > All the above does not apply to neutrons. Neutrons cannot be packed by the > zillions into a tiny space. > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:20 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: > >> If you are dealing with hydrogen in an NAE, is it necessary to consider >> it as being the size of a hydrogen atom in free space or can you treat it >> as a far smaller proton? You can pack a "zillion" protons into a tiny >> space. >> >> I would expect hydrogen to be different than any other element when >> contained within a metal matrix. It only has one electron in orbit and it >> just seems likely that this single electron could be "lost" within the >> metal atoms surrounding the nucleus. It is not hard to imagine that the >> proton charge would be neutralized or shielded by the activity of many >> electrons from the adjacent metal atoms. If this happens, then why not >> expect more protons to be able to occupy a region closer than normal to >> each other when so confined and shielded. I guess the trick would be >> associated with the interaction of the metal electrons. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:08 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature >> >> There is a basic falsity in the LENR+ particle argument be it neutron >> or protons. >> You cannot pack the volume of particles needed to produce the energy >> demonstrated in the LENR+ systems into those small NAE cavities at the >> volumes needed because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle. >> It is like packing 10 lbs. of crap into a one oz. bag. >> LENR cannot be based on particles entering into a nucleus. >> For those who want to play with numbers, run a calculation that >> determines the maximum density of protons or neutron that are allowed by >> the PEP into the NAE and then determine the number of NAE that are required >> to produce 10 kilowatts per second. >> You will find that the numbers just don’t add up. >> >> Cheers: Axil >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:26 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I agree with the first order of business you state. >>> >>> The second one could depend upon how quickly a reaction takes place >>> since the vibration is a mechanical response to the temperature of the >>> metal. The kinetic energy of a nucleus should be something that can be >>> calculated and I would suspect that its rate of movement is determined by >>> the forcing function which is a relatively slow process. I believe that a >>> quantum mechanical action occurs so fast that the slow motion vibration of >>> the nucleus is not important. I compare this to taking a snap shot of the >>> instantaneous position and velocity of the nucleus. >>> >>> My visualization is that the quantum mechanical formula defining the >>> behavior takes a quick look at the nucleus and nearby neutron and acts when >>> they are in the best proper condition relative to each other. Of course if >>> this process is slow, then my concept would not be valid and something in >>> line with your second order would be appropriate. Has the time frame for >>> quantum mechanical activities of this nature been determined? Another >>> question: has the time frame for any quantum mechanical coupling been >>> measured? That is the first question. I have read that entangled >>> particles react at speeds in excess of light or considered instantaneous at >>> great distances. Would this behavior be considered typical? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: James Bowery <[email protected]> >>> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Low Energy Neutrons and Local Temperature >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I have to question how one is able to have stationary neutrons. I >>>> assume that you refer to neutrons that are stationary relative to our frame >>>> of observation. >>> >>> >>> Relative to the statistical position of the mass of which they are a >>> part. >>> >>> >>>> One question that I keep asking is how quickly does a quantum >>>> mechanical effect take place? >>>> >>> >>> The first order of business is: What is the formula for the nuclear >>> strong force vs distance between a nickel nucleus and a neutron? >>> >>> The second order of business is: When a nickel nucleus is vibrating in >>> solid nickel, what is its spatial probability density function? >>> >> >> >
