On May 9, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote:
* Heat appears with D but not H.

This is not true. Heat has been measured when H is used.

Only a few people have detected heat with Pd-H. Fleischmann found marginal heat, and you reported some. Let me put this way: heat comes a lot more readily with deuterium. Since the choice of D or H cannot affect the calorimetry, that indicates something real is happening.

True, but only a few people have made the effort. Most people consider H2O to be dead, so why bother. In addition, H2O is not used to calibrate a cell using D2O. This is done using a Pt cathode or an electric heater.

* Heat only appears with high loading.

This is only true during electrolysis.

True, but again it is a control factor which cannot possibly influence the calorimetry, so it cannot be causing an instrument artifact.

True. My point is that the effect of composition is variable, as it should be based on any basic understanding. Nevertheless, as you say, the effect is real and in the right direction to be consistent with basic understanding of reactions of any kind.


A calorimeter is not affected by the source of energy.

Well, it is at least plausible that a calorimeter in which the temperature is measured in the electrolyte might be affected by the choice of heavy water or light water. I do not think there is any measurable difference, but there could be one. A gas calorimeter with the sample and temperature sensor surrounded by D or H gas will probably have a slightly different calibration curve for the two gases.

In a calorimeter where you measure outside the cell, the cell components cannot affect performance. Except to a tiny extent, where the heat originates in different parts of the cell, especially the top or bottom, as shown by the Italians.

Here the discussion is between a good calorimeter and a bad calorimeter. A bad calorimeter has all kinds of potential errors. A good calorimeter measured only heat, nothing else. Yes, some bad calorimeters were used. Nevertheless, most data was taken using good calorimeters, which continues to be the case. Making a good calorimeter requires skill, which had to be learned. Apparently, many skeptics have still not learned how to tell the difference.

Ed Storms.

- Jed


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