Thanks Axil, you seem to get into a detailed thinking here, Nice! Anyway I can read QM quite well and all Kim's results are based on a Optical Theorem for LENR nuclear reactions, and as he states, can be seen as a basic principle for low energy nuclear reactions. The result should be peered reviewed from seeing the reference and seams to be good research. Unfortunately I don't have access to the paper. It is not widely referenced, so it is unclear how well the scientific community have accepted it. Time will tell. But certainly believing the professionals doing this It really looks like Kim et al's found a fundamental piece of evidence for LENR. Again I would as a community take up this principle for thorough study to really write a few educational articles to explain what is happening in that theorem and also therein spread it's thoughts. Right now it is sort of buried in a lot of other information. Again I would stress that competing theories might take advantage of that work. I look at it this way, if we have a principle that works like a key that funnel high reaction rates to achieve a (much) lower potential state then QM will, like in protein folding, seek out this key state in a rather broader context then is evident, perhaps temporally, and achieve a LENR reaction. So independent of how difficult it is to engineer BEC states, one would expect the key formation, assuming enough mobility, proximity, and perhaps a few structural pushes from the site setup really produce a LENR reaction.
Cheers! On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > The Ni/H reaction in a nutshell… > > > > Heat induced Dipole motion is step 1. > > > > High voltage/frequency EMF production is step 2. > > > > More EMF amplification by nanoparticles is step 3 > > > > EMF storage in a soliton via vortex current *whispering*-*gallery mode > wave *formation is step 4. This is how the dark mode EOV is produced. > > > > Electrostatic field and anapole magnetic field production by the soliton > is step 5 > > > > Nuclear reactions caused by EMF are the result final. > > > > > > See: > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6180#p107943 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6180#p108048 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6180#p108053 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6180#p108180 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6195#p108539 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6195#p108611 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=5970#p102511 > > > > excerp from a post > > > > It is well accepted by science that polaritons (a boson) can form > Bose-Einstein condensates (BEC). In fact, BEC is the most natural state for > polaritons because of their strong interactions through photon sharing. > When a global condition of BEC is established in a polariton lattice, gamma > quantum mechanical frequency reduction of nuclear emitted radiation is what > thermalizes that gamma radiation. > > > Because polaritons are almost massless, their condensate can tolerate > temperatures up to 2300K experimentally demonstrated. > > In a point of comparison, Rossi has engineered BEC into his system after a > long and difficult R&D process whereas the Finnish startup company Etiam OY > has not done this important step yet. As in early Rossi systems, this > failure to produce BEC causes gamma radiation to still occur in the Etiam > OY system. > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6000#p102568 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6000#p102594 > > bypass duplicated post references here. > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6030#p102654 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6030#p102701 > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6165 > > > > > http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3200&start=6165#p107512 > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Many thanks Axil! >> >> Wow, it really looks like he is really close to show what I'm asking for. >> Really cool. I have heard others >> speak about his theory and debunk it on the merit that the BEC have not >> been observed in room temperature. Then after reading the very good >> overview it really looks like we do have or close to have a theoretical >> notion of cold fusion or LENR. Remember if we can say that plain 'ol >> quantum mecanics allow for cold fusion in theory, I bet people will look >> for it much more intensely. Why on earth can't people try to find the >> positive parts and just not be so focused on debunking. My view of this is >> that in complex materials one get to set up a large range of sites that >> sometimes mimic what these BEC clusters are doing in Kim's calculations, >> and dong that right means that we get to see the extra heat that is so much >> reported. But generally just a small fraction of the sites hence the reason >> you see it in a complex material like Pd. But maybe Pd is too complex >> because it does setup a lot of non functioning sites. What Rossi, DGT and >> all others reporting success may have done is to have performed an >> extensive search to find a material that can setup a much higher fraction >> of these sites to mimic the BEC result. It's really not unlikely >> considering my shallow understanding of the subject. >> >> But the screening is of cause an assumption that probably is based on >> good 'ol intuition of Kim and others. Can work. And yes Axil I would really >> like to hear your view of it. >> >> /Stefan >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dr. Kim has worked (maybe is still working) for DGT. He has calculated >>> the increased reaction rates that his theory of LENR+(the optical theory) >>> implies. This theory assumes a charge screening potential that reduces the >>> coulomb barrier. >>> >>> for an overview of Kim's theory see >>> >>> >>> http://coldfusionnow.org/session-462-advanced-concepts-lenr-anti-matter-and-new-physics/ >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL2-l5cWWRE >>> >>> >>> http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/ICCF-18-JCMNS-KH-Pre-2.pdf >>> >>> I have my own ideas about how this charge screening happens. I will go >>> as far in explanation and you can stand. It is up to you! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> hmm, normal decays are of cause not all that interesting, more in line >>>> with what you can find in >>>> >>>> https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36783/TheoreticalAnalysisReactionMechanisms.pdf?sequence=1 >>>> >>>> the page with >>>> BEGIN QUOTE >>>> • Important !! The Gamow factor suppression occurs with the >>>> formation of the Boson cluster state (BCS) which may include >>>> a cluster of Bosons, a BEC, etc. The BEC case is only one of >>>> special cases >>>> END QUOTE >>>> >>>> Now I'm really uncertain how well they have calculated the reaction >>>> rates, but my point is that if those numbers are calculated using a >>>> reasonable well model, then you should have shown that you can set up a >>>> solid state system mathematically and deduce high reaction rate for >>>> different nuclear reaction. That in it's self show physics of a nuclear >>>> reaction like fusion that is based by other principles then reaching high >>>> kinetic energies. Now the actual detailed theory for how LENR work can be >>>> different than proposed in that report, and in stead by similarity of >>>> principles also give a motivation that other competing theories can work. >>>> >>>> But I cannot judge how well all this reasoning can be "solidified" into >>>> an accepted principle. So I am looking for some kind of judgement like >>>> "this theory have been discussed intensively, it have a few glitches but >>>> the calculation is right and it mostly look like a sane model" Or "the >>>> author has simplified too much and one cannot do that simplification in >>>> order to draw conclusions .." e.g. there is just this report but I cannot >>>> find not much detailed discussion about the claims and methods used. But in >>>> all finding this link is an important step to engage deeper knowledge how >>>> LENR might work form a bottom up perspective. >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Terry Blanton <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> To add to the confusion, some “experts” believe that the proton >>>>>> decays, eventually – which essentially means everything decays. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And at 60 years, I'm feeling it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
