On Feb 10, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
Buying and testing a Nanor would gain a person nothing. Unless a
person knows how and why it works, which is not known, the
information is worthless.
***No, not worthless. As an example, the private sector had the
ability for 2 decades to go into space but didn't bother even trying
until the Ansari X-Prize was posted. The private sector spent
(what? $400M) a bunch more towards this goal than the $10M that Burt
Rutan finally collected. We need such an X-Prize for LENR.
I agree, Kevin. But this requires someone with money to attempt to win
the prize. We have no such seed money.
Unless a person knows how and why it works, which is not known, the
information is worthless.
***I completely disagree. The generation of the artifact is very
WORTHwhile, and that triggers interest from scientists who would
otherwise be engaged in something else.
But we have hundreds of examples of heat production and now companies
claim they will provide generators. What more do we need to get
massive support? What benefit would a device producing 4 mW of power
add?
But there is another, perhaps far more important problem -
attracting massive investment and recognition from labs everywhere.
***As much as it pains me to say.... Blaze is correct in this
particular assessment.
But this evidence has been provided without massive support being
provided. This is not a fantasy. You need to acknowledge what happens
in the real world. The real world is giving money to development, not
to basic understanding. I predict this will end in tears.
Ed Storms
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Edmund Storms
<[email protected]> wrote:
The approach expressed here is very depressing. We know that LENR is
real. Buying and testing a Nanor would gain a person nothing. Unless
a person knows how and why it works, which is not known, the
information is worthless. The important investment is in acquiring
information about how LENR works. So far, this approach is not bring
used effectively. All present explanations can be shown not to
explain the process. A person can disagree about what kind of
explanation might be correct, but the present explanations are
clearly wrong. Until this situation changes, I believe investment
in a device will produce very little of value.
We are like a person in 1800 being shown a smart phone and being
asked to make another one. You can imagine all the explanations of
how it worked that would be discussed, with none of them being even
close to the correct one. That is the situation now in LENR. People
have no idea how it works, yet they are certain they have a correct
understanding. This is like trying to design heavier than air flight
before the Wright Brothers or a durable light bulb before Edison.
Why not invest in getting knowledge?
Ed Storms
On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote:
If someone had 50K I'd say try to buy a Nanor from Michael Swartz
of Jet Energy and test that.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Kevin O'Malley
<[email protected]> wrote:
If someone asked me "what kind of research can I do with $50,000?"
I would say go to the racetrack and bet the money. You will have
more chance of making a profit than you would putting the money in
cold fusion.
***The LENR corner-turn is getting to that level. I am in
correspondence with the X-Prize committee, proposing a LENR
replication prize for Techshop and following the MFMP recipe. I
think that with a techshop, $100k, and some guidance, someone with
as pedestrian an intellect such as mine could replicate those Gamma
rays.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jed Rothwell
<[email protected]> wrote:
James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote:
if an extremely wealthy person such as Bill Gates believed that
cold fusion is real, he would be crazy no to invest in it.
Assuming he was not doing it for philanthropic purposes, wouldn't
he be crazy to let anyone know he was investing in it?
I would find out. People such as Ed Storms and McKubre would find
out. It is a small world. People are not going to do research
without word getting out. I may not know where the money is coming
from, but if someone starts spending millions per year on cold
fusion, they will have to hire grad students and consult with
people, and word will get out.
If you are a billionaire but you are only going to spend tens of
thousands instead of millions, I might not hear about it. An
investor who does not spend millions is wasting his money. If we
could get somewhere with shoestring budgets, we would have made
progress years ago. If someone asked me "what kind of research can
I do with $50,000?" I would say go to the racetrack and bet the
money. You will have more chance of making a profit than you would
putting the money in cold fusion.
- Jed
