Ed- The differential energy states of a nucleus associated with different spin states are not all that big. They come in units of Plank's constant. (Check out the discussion of spin in Wikipedia, https://www.google.com/webhp#q=nuclear+spin+quantum+number
The following abstract of an article addresses the coupling between a nucleus and the electrons in a molecule--the Coulomb barrier does not come into play since the interaction is via the magnetic fields. You keep arguing about the Coulomb barrier--think magnetic coupling and spin coupling as the operative phenomena. http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/30/1/10.1063/1.1729860 >>>The valence-bond theory for the contact electron-spin coupling of nuclear >>>magnetic moments is used to calculate the proton-proton, proton-fluorine, >>>and fluorine-fluorine coupling constants in ethanic and ethylenic molecules. >>>A considerable simplification is introduced into the theory by >>>approximations which reduce the problem to one involving only a small number >>>of electrons and canonical structures. The agreement between calculated and >>>experimental values is such as to demonstrate that the mechanism considered >>>is the one of primary importance for the nuclear coupling in the compounds >>>studied. Of particular interest is the theoretical confirmation of the >>>observation that in ethylenic compounds the trans coupling between nuclei >>>(HH, HF, FF) is considerably larger than cis coupling.<<< Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Edmund Storms To: [email protected] Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Bob, you fail to take into account the known and well documented bonding energy that can exist in a chemical system. This bonding is limited to no more than about 10 eV, yet you propose to require this bonding to share and dissipate energy at the MeV level within a cluster of atoms. Only in the nucleus itself is this level of bonding and interaction available. Atoms are not attached to each other with the necessary force to share and transmit this level of energy. In addition, for nuclear interaction to take place, the Coulomb barrier must be overcome. This barrier is real and its magnitude is well known and far in excess of any source of energy available in a chemical system. LENR requires a new and so far unknown process to do this. I see no effort to effectively identify this process. Simply applying IF statements is not a solution. Simply applying QM using equations containing arbitrary assumptions does not change how chemical systems are known to behave. The people discussing these issues on Vortex seem to be in a different reality than the one I have occupied for over 60 years of scientific study of LENR, chemistry, and physics. Any imagined or assumed process described in the modern literature seems to be as important as what has been observed and accepted in science for the last 100 years. Any new observation in physics seems to be fair game as an explanation of LENR whether it has any real world support of not. In fact, many of the papers used as justification for the proposals are simply based on more theory and assumptions. Ed Storms On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed You said: >You must assume that a nuclear energy state can form between a large number of atoms in a chemical system.< Yes I do assume that. Crystals like in Pd metal I would consider to be one QM system as long as long as the ionic chemical bonds hold the atoms together. The nuclear magnetic moments of a crystal clearly couple with the electrons in the system. Nano particles, although not as large as a crystals, are also probably a QM system with many atoms. All molecules are QM systems and when close together may have various coupling mechanisms although not of any practical intensity. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Edmund Storms To: [email protected] Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote: When alpha particles pass through material, a series of nuclear reactions can occur that emit radiation. In addition, bremsstrahlung radiation is emitted as the alpha slows down. Hagelstrin describes these processes in the papers I attached previously. I suggest you read them. If an alpha is born from a [dd]* resonance in which the mass energy is fractionated among a large number of sinks (e.g., nearby electrons and ion cores), the 4He daughter would have no or almost no energy. There would be the bath of photons from the fractionation, the nearly stationary 4He daughter, and no Bremsstrahlung from collisions by a fast particle. Yes, that is the assumption. The issue is whether that assumption is valid. Can a large number of sinks participate in what is a random process such that they can share mass-energy? Can this collection remain intact for the time required for the process to go to completion. You must assume that a nuclear energy state can form between a large number of atoms in a chemical system. This concept is in conflict with the laws of thermodynamics. Ed Storms Eric
