BTW guys – for those who see the value in having cosmology as an ally, it makes sense for us to keep promoting this “dark matter” cross-connection to LENR, and the Rossi effect, and moreover to try to get anyone who is seeing thermal gain to look for the 3.5 keV signature.
If that is found – it is a game changer. That spectrum is much harder to document than you may think. It is in no man’s land as far as common meters are concerned. According to this article, there is nothing on the market to do it, so they built their own http://phys.org/news/2012-08-x-rays-soft-x-ray-detector-breast.html From: Jones Beene Say, we are getting some kind a consensus going today… must be a good sign :-) I think that for deuterium to helium, the idea of pre-release of energy in a Mills-like redundancy has logical backing. Helium is documented, and deuterons are bosons. Tunneling should happen. It would be nice to find low keV radiation to boot, especially in the range of 3.5-4 keV. However, for protons in the Rossi reaction – no deuterium has even been documented, nor helium. Until it has been, and since protons are fermions, the weight of evidence suggests we treat this situation as if it were a completely different M.O. entirely; and find a different gainful reaction – one which fits the facts, even if it is not fusion. (it still will involve mass-to-energy conversion, so it is LENR but it is NOT cold fusion and that name should be dropped. (pending new data) From: Bob Higgins The problem is that after the high energy gamma is created, it is not plausible that 100% of the quanta are downshifted - some will fail in this post-fusion downshifting and be released as high energy. Since 0% high energy quanta are seen experimentally, the high energy quanta must not get created during LENR. Storms has posited that most of the mass-energy must be removed in preparing the fusing atoms for fusion as part of the LENR process, such that there is no huge quanta to be released after fusion occurs. If the mass-energy is not removed, there is no LENR fusion. Thus, whenever LENR fusion occurs, there is no high energy quanta to be released in 100% of the cases. I think this is good logic. Bob Foks0904 wrote: What parameter is limiting the downshift exactly? Ahern has speculated that ferromagnetic collective modes, first explored by Ulam, are at play in LENR. These systems tend to amplify the vibratory modes of a system and then tend to localize energy in a coherent fashion -- seemingly in violation of the second law (i.e. an open system phenomenon). This seems compatible with Hagelstein. If this sort of self-organizing collective mode is at play in LENR, what's to limit the downshifting/sharing effect across the system? Eric Walker wrote: Hagelstein has never been able to find a physical model for his contention, not even one which is remotely close - and it is amazing that he has not thrown in the towel on a losing battle. It simply does not happen in the real world. I agree with you on this one, Jones. Even a year ago I was persuaded that there must be some kind of high-energy gamma downconversion at play (or, as was suggested, possibly some upconversion). But I don't find this a promising lead anymore. I find even less likely the possibility that the downconversion would be mediated by phonons (although I'm not exactly sure what Hagelstein's position is on this subject). Eric
