The problem is that after the high energy gamma is created, it is not plausible that 100% of the quanta are downshifted - some will fail in this post-fusion downshifting and be released as high energy.
Where dis this assumption come from? On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that after the high energy gamma is created, it is not > plausible that 100% of the quanta are downshifted - some will fail in this > post-fusion downshifting and be released as high energy. Since 0% high > energy quanta are seen experimentally, the high energy quanta must not get > created during LENR. Storms has posited that most of the mass-energy must > be removed in preparing the fusing atoms for fusion as part of the LENR > process, such that there is no huge quanta to be released after fusion > occurs. If the mass-energy is not removed, there is no LENR fusion. Thus, > whenever LENR fusion occurs, there is no high energy quanta to be released > in 100% of the cases. I think this is good logic. > > Bob > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What parameter is limiting the downshift exactly? Ahern has speculated >> that ferromagnetic collective modes, first explored by Ulam, are at play in >> LENR. These systems tend to amplify the vibratory modes of a system and >> then tend to localize energy in a coherent fashion -- seemingly in >> violation of the second law (i.e. an open system phenomenon). This seems >> compatible with Hagelstein. If this sort of self-organizing collective mode >> is at play in LENR, what's to limit the downshifting/sharing effect across >> the system? >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hagelstein has never been able to find a physical model for his >>>> contention, >>>> not even one which is remotely close - and it is amazing that he has not >>>> thrown in the towel on a losing battle. It simply does not happen in the >>>> real world. >>>> >>> >>> I agree with you on this one, Jones. Even a year ago I was persuaded >>> that there must be some kind of high-energy gamma downconversion at play >>> (or, as was suggested, possibly some upconversion). But I don't find this >>> a promising lead anymore. I find even less likely the possibility that the >>> downconversion would be mediated by phonons (although I'm not exactly sure >>> what Hagelstein's position is on this subject). >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >> >
