What parameter is limiting the downshift exactly? Ahern has speculated that ferromagnetic collective modes, first explored by Ulam, are at play in LENR. These systems tend to amplify the vibratory modes of a system and then tend to localize energy in a coherent fashion -- seemingly in violation of the second law (i.e. an open system phenomenon). This seems compatible with Hagelstein. If this sort of self-organizing collective mode is at play in LENR, what's to limit the downshifting/sharing effect across the system?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hagelstein has never been able to find a physical model for his contention, >> not even one which is remotely close - and it is amazing that he has not >> thrown in the towel on a losing battle. It simply does not happen in the >> real world. >> > > I agree with you on this one, Jones. Even a year ago I was persuaded that > there must be some kind of high-energy gamma downconversion at play (or, as > was suggested, possibly some upconversion). But I don't find this a > promising lead anymore. I find even less likely the possibility that the > downconversion would be mediated by phonons (although I'm not exactly sure > what Hagelstein's position is on this subject). > > Eric > >
