Hi John

Evolutionary principles can help understand how the first self replicating cell originated. For example all the evidence suggests that it came from an RNA based predecessor, where RNA is replicated and splits into chunks to form enzymes etc. We are currently finding RNA has far more roles than we had previously realised, plenty of scope for RNA based lifeforms.

As for whether there is an inevitability of humanoid based life forms, no there is nothing that suggests that we were inevitable. In 10 million years time it might be that the descendants of todays mice (see Douglas Adams) or dolphins who are in many ways as advanced as we are might be asking themselves the same question, and they are not sexually compatible with us.

There is an emergent phenomena that gives rise to more complex life forms that are better fitted than their predecessors to survive. Darwin describes well the process that makes this happen, and all that we have found in genetics supports and can be understood based this idea.

However, the more find out about biological processes, the more we seem to rule out alternative none DNA/RNA ways that life could occur. Basically evolution (and our chemists) seems to have explored just about every available option, and there is nothing else that comes close to doing what DNA/RNA can do. If life exists elsewhere, I find it increasingly difficult to see how it can be anything other than DNA/RNA based. If it is DNA/RNA based then that would therefore just be an example of parallel evolution, which we already have lots of examples of within nature. What will then be interesting will be to see what the similarities and differences are in the way that the DNA/RNA encodes information (e.g. coding for proteins, which is more abitary), which would be the only way that we could determine whether there was a common ancester.

My particular heresy/unproven hypothesis is that I beleive that some of the information in DNA is stored in a 'non-local' form (similar to Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields), so in principle could be shared with an alien DNA based life form, which could mean that the aliens might indeed turn out to be hairy humanoids. I await the arrival of aliens with interest so that these various hypothesies can be tested.

Nigel

On 27/08/2014 10:52, [email protected] wrote:
Hi Nigel,

Thanks again for your reply but it seems like you were answering someone else's query. I did not remotely suggest recent creation and did not think that I promoted alien impregnation. The alien impregnation that I spoke of was of the sexual variety and is a well known case that even the Wikipedia "defenders of the faith" cannot build much of a case against.

Evolution really can't even get started until you have a self-replicating cell, so evolution as such cannot have any explanation for where the first self-replicating cell came from. Many (if not most?) mainline scientists accept this fact and some well known ones go so far as to even suggest an off-world (ie "alien") source. I am not concerned whether the source was "alien impregnation" or whatever other mechanism you happen to think might have produced the first self-replicating cell. This is something we may never know. But if even one of the alien visitation cases turns out to be true (and it would seem that this could happen any day if certain governments would allow it), then I think it must have an enormous impact on the theory of evolution and thus maybe even impact your job.

So my hope was that you might follow this possibly impending scenario through to a logical conclusion. Suppose tomorrow that we find out that there really was a crash at Roswell, and we really did meet live aliens or have dead alien bodies to dissect (the sort of stuff that this list enjoys dreaming about), it either points to the process of evolution being incredibly convergent (and how could that work!), or that the process was largely programmed into the first self-replicating cell.

So my question again is: from your knowledge of the DNA of the earliest known forms of life, is there sufficient information content to almost guarantee that humanoid life-forms (very similar to us and even sexually compatible) will finally evolve? Or does the minimal state of the DNA of early life forms strongly suggest that there must be some "emergent phenomenon" or meddling along the way in order to produce in the end such similar humanoid life forms?

John

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