Thanks Christian! Kirill,
I honestly have no idea, and while I'd love to help with the research and implementation I simply don't have the time right now. A HS diploma and college admission are my time sapping priorities. [?] God Bless, Kyle Johnston KyleJohnston.net <http://kylejohnston.net/> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 06:28, Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Kyle! > > FundWave.com - great idea, but domain is busy. I will choose domain name a > bit later. > > There are 2 questions: > > 1) Whether the link be published on WIAB main page? > 2) Is there are opensource solutions for such site? > > 2012/1/15 Kyle Johnston <[email protected]> > > > Could Kirill set up a separate site (say "FundWave.com") and offer > > "bounties" to any developer who successfully developed/fixed (and had > their > > code committed) a given feature or bug? Basically > > BountySource<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BountySource>specific to > > Wave. > > > > Or it could [also/instead] run like Kickstarter allowing devs to propose > a > > feature or other time-intensive improvement and let others donate money > to > > fund that specific feature. This option would allow the general community > > of Wave users directly support the projects that mattered (i.e. are > > usefull) to them. > > > > This would separate the "official" Apache development process from the > > money side, but allow Kirill and others to help fund the development of > > Wave. A link could be placed on the Apache Wave site indicating the > > "FundWave" purpose and it's non-official connection to the project. > > > > How's that sound? My company (GJX Hosting) would love to co-sponsor > such a > > site. > > > > God Bless, > > Kyle Johnston > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:48, Andrew Kaplanov <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]> > > > Date: 2012/1/13 > > > Subject: Fwd: Current project status at > > http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ > > > WaveImport uses low level robot API from Walkaround. > > > That requires GAE libraries. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Yuri Z <[email protected]> > > > Date: 2012/1/13 > > > Subject: Re: Current project status at > http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > From what I see in the GitHub repository at > > > https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport - all third party libraries > there > > > are > > > already included in the WIAB distribution. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko < > > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Christian! > > > > > > > > I hired Andrew Kaplanov for full time WIAB development. My company > use > > > > GWave now heavily. > > > > He decided not commit WaveImport ( > https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport > > ) > > > > utility to WIAB main tree, because it need many third party > libraries. > > > > That's why you did not see my name on the commiters list. > > > > > > > > So, I'm interested in speed up and I could create my own site with > > public > > > > donations. > > > > Could you offer some tools for this goal? > > > > > > > > 2012/1/12 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The situation with WIAB is different from usual opensource > project. > > > > > > There are a lot of Google Wave users (I think 50k+) waiting for > > some > > > > > > alternative. > > > > > > > > > > Similar to OpenOffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is to publish tasks developers working at on WIAB main > page > > > and > > > > > let > > > > > > each developer put donate button there. I want to speed up WIAB > > > > > development > > > > > > and it is clear that there will be more developers if they could > > get > > > > > > financial support from future users. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand ASF doen't forbid such practice. If so my > > idea > > > > > could > > > > > > help to speed up development. > > > > > > > > > > As Upayavira already mentioned, the ASF does not collect money for > > > > > third parties or other developers. You can move one level up and > > > > > dicuss this on [email protected] again. I think you'll > > get > > > > > similar responses. > > > > > > > > > > There is a similar case with Team OpenOffice.org on the > > OpenOffice.org > > > > > mailinglist. TOOo collects donations for their developers on their > > own > > > > > website. The requirement is people need to understand TOOo is not > ASF > > > > > and that AOOo will not die just because people do not donate to > third > > > > > party devs. > > > > > > > > > > In your case, I even don't see the developers name on the committer > > > > > list. I think the best first step would be to become an active > > > > > committer in this community and set up an own website, not > > conflicting > > > > > with the ASF branding guidelines > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/1/12 Upayavira <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Kirill, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Firstly, it is great that you are planning to contribute to > Wave. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> We tend not to announce things before they have happened, so we > > > don't > > > > > >> tend to announce that someone has joined a project. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As to donations to a developer, we all need food, and many of us > > > make > > > > > >> our living based upon connections we made at Apache. As a > > registered > > > > > >> non-profit, Apache can't be seen to favour one person above > > another, > > > > so > > > > > >> placing adverts for donations on the site itself if problematic. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What I would say, though, is that you should start to > participate > > > > here. > > > > > >> Ask around for suggestions of missing features/weaknesses and > > start > > > > > >> contributing. Do that sufficiently, and you'll be offered commit > > > > rights > > > > > >> so you can work actively on the application yourself. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> There's nothing at all to stop you using contacts you make here > to > > > > find > > > > > >> work/projects. All that is required is that you are sensitive to > > the > > > > > >> needs of the project, and that you recognise that most people > > aren't > > > > > >> here to talk about financial issues. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Welcome, I look forward to seeing your contributions to the > > project! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, Upayavira > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 01:13 AM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: > > > > > >> > Hello Christian, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I read http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html and > > > > > >> > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html again > > > > > >> > and did not found that donations to specific developers > > > prohibited. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I was thinking, that donation to ASF and specific developers > is > > > > > different > > > > > >> > thing and it's allowed by ASF rules. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > If donations prohibited, please remove this button and just > > > publish > > > > > some > > > > > >> > news on the main page, > > > > > >> > becouse the project seems dead with current main page. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 2012/1/11 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Christian Grobmeier > > > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Hello Kirill, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko > > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I think many people want to continue use WIAB after > Google > > > Wave > > > > > for > > > > > >> > > their > > > > > >> > > >> needs. We hired Andrew Kaplanov fulltime to implement > > > critical > > > > > >> features. > > > > > >> > > >> I want WIAB main page visitors to understand that work is > > in > > > > > >> progress > > > > > >> > > and > > > > > >> > > >> they are able to speed up things. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> I kindly ask developers to add tasks they are working at > to > > > > > "Current > > > > > >> > > Status" > > > > > >> > > >> section I have added to WIAB's main page. Please apply > this > > > > > patch to > > > > > >> > > main > > > > > >> > > >> page to show visitors that work is in progress. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > I am afraid this patch cannot be applied as it contains a > > > > donation > > > > > >> > > > link to your email address. The ASF is very strict about > > > > > donations. > > > > > >> > > > Please read more here: > > > > > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Also this page is to track status on the ASF Wave project. > > > Links > > > > > to > > > > > >> > > > third party tools, libs, books etc usually are noted on > the > > > > > projects > > > > > >> > > > website, if the developers agree to publish them. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > I am sorry, i mixed pages up. Of course, the page you > > referenced > > > > is > > > > > >> > > not the status page. Nevertheless the rest of the email is > > > > correct. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > It makes sense to read this link in addition: > > > > > >> > > http://apache.org/foundation/getinvolved.html > > > > > >> > > This might be of interest for Andrew :-) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Cheers > > > > > >> > > Christian > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers > > > > > >> > > > Christian > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > >> > > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > > > >> > > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > > > >> > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
