I will send patch and show site this evening. 2012/1/17 Kyle Johnston <[email protected]>
> Thanks Christian! > > Kirill, > > I honestly have no idea, and while I'd love to help with the research and > implementation I simply don't have the time right now. A HS diploma and > college admission are my time sapping priorities. [?] > > God Bless, > Kyle Johnston > KyleJohnston.net <http://kylejohnston.net/> > > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 06:28, Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Kyle! >> >> FundWave.com - great idea, but domain is busy. I will choose domain name a >> bit later. >> >> There are 2 questions: >> >> 1) Whether the link be published on WIAB main page? >> 2) Is there are opensource solutions for such site? >> >> 2012/1/15 Kyle Johnston <[email protected]> >> >> > Could Kirill set up a separate site (say "FundWave.com") and offer >> > "bounties" to any developer who successfully developed/fixed (and had >> their >> > code committed) a given feature or bug? Basically >> > BountySource<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BountySource>specific to >> > Wave. >> > >> > Or it could [also/instead] run like Kickstarter allowing devs to >> propose a >> > feature or other time-intensive improvement and let others donate money >> to >> > fund that specific feature. This option would allow the general >> community >> > of Wave users directly support the projects that mattered (i.e. are >> > usefull) to them. >> > >> > This would separate the "official" Apache development process from the >> > money side, but allow Kirill and others to help fund the development of >> > Wave. A link could be placed on the Apache Wave site indicating the >> > "FundWave" purpose and it's non-official connection to the project. >> > >> > How's that sound? My company (GJX Hosting) would love to co-sponsor >> such a >> > site. >> > >> > God Bless, >> > Kyle Johnston >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:48, Andrew Kaplanov <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > From: Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]> >> > > Date: 2012/1/13 >> > > Subject: Fwd: Current project status at >> > http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ >> > > WaveImport uses low level robot API from Walkaround. >> > > That requires GAE libraries. >> > > >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > From: Yuri Z <[email protected]> >> > > Date: 2012/1/13 >> > > Subject: Re: Current project status at >> http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > >> > > >> > > From what I see in the GitHub repository at >> > > https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport - all third party libraries >> there >> > > are >> > > already included in the WIAB distribution. >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko < >> > [email protected] >> > > >wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello Christian! >> > > > >> > > > I hired Andrew Kaplanov for full time WIAB development. My company >> use >> > > > GWave now heavily. >> > > > He decided not commit WaveImport ( >> https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport >> > ) >> > > > utility to WIAB main tree, because it need many third party >> libraries. >> > > > That's why you did not see my name on the commiters list. >> > > > >> > > > So, I'm interested in speed up and I could create my own site with >> > public >> > > > donations. >> > > > Could you offer some tools for this goal? >> > > > >> > > > 2012/1/12 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > > > Hello, >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > The situation with WIAB is different from usual opensource >> project. >> > > > > > There are a lot of Google Wave users (I think 50k+) waiting for >> > some >> > > > > > alternative. >> > > > > >> > > > > Similar to OpenOffice.org >> > > > > >> > > > > > My idea is to publish tasks developers working at on WIAB main >> page >> > > and >> > > > > let >> > > > > > each developer put donate button there. I want to speed up WIAB >> > > > > development >> > > > > > and it is clear that there will be more developers if they could >> > get >> > > > > > financial support from future users. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > As far as I understand ASF doen't forbid such practice. If so my >> > idea >> > > > > could >> > > > > > help to speed up development. >> > > > > >> > > > > As Upayavira already mentioned, the ASF does not collect money for >> > > > > third parties or other developers. You can move one level up and >> > > > > dicuss this on [email protected] again. I think you'll >> > get >> > > > > similar responses. >> > > > > >> > > > > There is a similar case with Team OpenOffice.org on the >> > OpenOffice.org >> > > > > mailinglist. TOOo collects donations for their developers on their >> > own >> > > > > website. The requirement is people need to understand TOOo is not >> ASF >> > > > > and that AOOo will not die just because people do not donate to >> third >> > > > > party devs. >> > > > > >> > > > > In your case, I even don't see the developers name on the >> committer >> > > > > list. I think the best first step would be to become an active >> > > > > committer in this community and set up an own website, not >> > conflicting >> > > > > with the ASF branding guidelines >> > > > > >> > > > > Cheers >> > > > > Christian >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2012/1/12 Upayavira <[email protected]> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Kirill, >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> Firstly, it is great that you are planning to contribute to >> Wave. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> We tend not to announce things before they have happened, so we >> > > don't >> > > > > >> tend to announce that someone has joined a project. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> As to donations to a developer, we all need food, and many of >> us >> > > make >> > > > > >> our living based upon connections we made at Apache. As a >> > registered >> > > > > >> non-profit, Apache can't be seen to favour one person above >> > another, >> > > > so >> > > > > >> placing adverts for donations on the site itself if >> problematic. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> What I would say, though, is that you should start to >> participate >> > > > here. >> > > > > >> Ask around for suggestions of missing features/weaknesses and >> > start >> > > > > >> contributing. Do that sufficiently, and you'll be offered >> commit >> > > > rights >> > > > > >> so you can work actively on the application yourself. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> There's nothing at all to stop you using contacts you make >> here to >> > > > find >> > > > > >> work/projects. All that is required is that you are sensitive >> to >> > the >> > > > > >> needs of the project, and that you recognise that most people >> > aren't >> > > > > >> here to talk about financial issues. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> Welcome, I look forward to seeing your contributions to the >> > project! >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> Regards, Upayavira >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 01:13 AM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: >> > > > > >> > Hello Christian, >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > I read http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html and >> > > > > >> > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html again >> > > > > >> > and did not found that donations to specific developers >> > > prohibited. >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > I was thinking, that donation to ASF and specific developers >> is >> > > > > different >> > > > > >> > thing and it's allowed by ASF rules. >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > If donations prohibited, please remove this button and just >> > > publish >> > > > > some >> > > > > >> > news on the main page, >> > > > > >> > becouse the project seems dead with current main page. >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > 2012/1/11 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Christian Grobmeier >> > > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > Hello Kirill, >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko >> > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > >> I think many people want to continue use WIAB after >> Google >> > > Wave >> > > > > for >> > > > > >> > > their >> > > > > >> > > >> needs. We hired Andrew Kaplanov fulltime to implement >> > > critical >> > > > > >> features. >> > > > > >> > > >> I want WIAB main page visitors to understand that work >> is >> > in >> > > > > >> progress >> > > > > >> > > and >> > > > > >> > > >> they are able to speed up things. >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> I kindly ask developers to add tasks they are working >> at to >> > > > > "Current >> > > > > >> > > Status" >> > > > > >> > > >> section I have added to WIAB's main page. Please apply >> this >> > > > > patch to >> > > > > >> > > main >> > > > > >> > > >> page to show visitors that work is in progress. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > I am afraid this patch cannot be applied as it contains a >> > > > donation >> > > > > >> > > > link to your email address. The ASF is very strict about >> > > > > donations. >> > > > > >> > > > Please read more here: >> > > > > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Also this page is to track status on the ASF Wave >> project. >> > > Links >> > > > > to >> > > > > >> > > > third party tools, libs, books etc usually are noted on >> the >> > > > > projects >> > > > > >> > > > website, if the developers agree to publish them. >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > I am sorry, i mixed pages up. Of course, the page you >> > referenced >> > > > is >> > > > > >> > > not the status page. Nevertheless the rest of the email is >> > > > correct. >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > It makes sense to read this link in addition: >> > > > > >> > > http://apache.org/foundation/getinvolved.html >> > > > > >> > > This might be of interest for Andrew :-) >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > Cheers >> > > > > >> > > Christian >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers >> > > > > >> > > > Christian >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > > >> > > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > > > >> > > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > -- >> > > > > >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > > > >> > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >
