I really like that idea!
On 14 January 2012 19:03, Kyle Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: > Could Kirill set up a separate site (say "FundWave.com") and offer > "bounties" to any developer who successfully developed/fixed (and had their > code committed) a given feature or bug? Basically > BountySource<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BountySource>specific to > Wave. > > Or it could [also/instead] run like Kickstarter allowing devs to propose a > feature or other time-intensive improvement and let others donate money to > fund that specific feature. This option would allow the general community > of Wave users directly support the projects that mattered (i.e. are > usefull) to them. > > This would separate the "official" Apache development process from the > money side, but allow Kirill and others to help fund the development of > Wave. A link could be placed on the Apache Wave site indicating the > "FundWave" purpose and it's non-official connection to the project. > > How's that sound? My company (GJX Hosting) would love to co-sponsor such a > site. > > God Bless, > Kyle Johnston > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:48, Andrew Kaplanov <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]> >> Date: 2012/1/13 >> Subject: Fwd: Current project status at http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ >> WaveImport uses low level robot API from Walkaround. >> That requires GAE libraries. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Yuri Z <[email protected]> >> Date: 2012/1/13 >> Subject: Re: Current project status at http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> From what I see in the GitHub repository at >> https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport - all third party libraries there >> are >> already included in the WIAB distribution. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > Hello Christian! >> > >> > I hired Andrew Kaplanov for full time WIAB development. My company use >> > GWave now heavily. >> > He decided not commit WaveImport (https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport) >> > utility to WIAB main tree, because it need many third party libraries. >> > That's why you did not see my name on the commiters list. >> > >> > So, I'm interested in speed up and I could create my own site with public >> > donations. >> > Could you offer some tools for this goal? >> > >> > 2012/1/12 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > The situation with WIAB is different from usual opensource project. >> > > > There are a lot of Google Wave users (I think 50k+) waiting for some >> > > > alternative. >> > > >> > > Similar to OpenOffice.org >> > > >> > > > My idea is to publish tasks developers working at on WIAB main page >> and >> > > let >> > > > each developer put donate button there. I want to speed up WIAB >> > > development >> > > > and it is clear that there will be more developers if they could get >> > > > financial support from future users. >> > > > >> > > > As far as I understand ASF doen't forbid such practice. If so my idea >> > > could >> > > > help to speed up development. >> > > >> > > As Upayavira already mentioned, the ASF does not collect money for >> > > third parties or other developers. You can move one level up and >> > > dicuss this on [email protected] again. I think you'll get >> > > similar responses. >> > > >> > > There is a similar case with Team OpenOffice.org on the OpenOffice.org >> > > mailinglist. TOOo collects donations for their developers on their own >> > > website. The requirement is people need to understand TOOo is not ASF >> > > and that AOOo will not die just because people do not donate to third >> > > party devs. >> > > >> > > In your case, I even don't see the developers name on the committer >> > > list. I think the best first step would be to become an active >> > > committer in this community and set up an own website, not conflicting >> > > with the ASF branding guidelines >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Christian >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2012/1/12 Upayavira <[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > >> Kirill, >> > > >> >> > > >> Firstly, it is great that you are planning to contribute to Wave. >> > > >> >> > > >> We tend not to announce things before they have happened, so we >> don't >> > > >> tend to announce that someone has joined a project. >> > > >> >> > > >> As to donations to a developer, we all need food, and many of us >> make >> > > >> our living based upon connections we made at Apache. As a registered >> > > >> non-profit, Apache can't be seen to favour one person above another, >> > so >> > > >> placing adverts for donations on the site itself if problematic. >> > > >> >> > > >> What I would say, though, is that you should start to participate >> > here. >> > > >> Ask around for suggestions of missing features/weaknesses and start >> > > >> contributing. Do that sufficiently, and you'll be offered commit >> > rights >> > > >> so you can work actively on the application yourself. >> > > >> >> > > >> There's nothing at all to stop you using contacts you make here to >> > find >> > > >> work/projects. All that is required is that you are sensitive to the >> > > >> needs of the project, and that you recognise that most people aren't >> > > >> here to talk about financial issues. >> > > >> >> > > >> Welcome, I look forward to seeing your contributions to the project! >> > > >> >> > > >> Regards, Upayavira >> > > >> >> > > >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 01:13 AM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: >> > > >> > Hello Christian, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I read http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html and >> > > >> > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html again >> > > >> > and did not found that donations to specific developers >> prohibited. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I was thinking, that donation to ASF and specific developers is >> > > different >> > > >> > thing and it's allowed by ASF rules. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > If donations prohibited, please remove this button and just >> publish >> > > some >> > > >> > news on the main page, >> > > >> > becouse the project seems dead with current main page. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > 2012/1/11 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Christian Grobmeier >> > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello Kirill, >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko >> > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> I think many people want to continue use WIAB after Google >> Wave >> > > for >> > > >> > > their >> > > >> > > >> needs. We hired Andrew Kaplanov fulltime to implement >> critical >> > > >> features. >> > > >> > > >> I want WIAB main page visitors to understand that work is in >> > > >> progress >> > > >> > > and >> > > >> > > >> they are able to speed up things. >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> I kindly ask developers to add tasks they are working at to >> > > "Current >> > > >> > > Status" >> > > >> > > >> section I have added to WIAB's main page. Please apply this >> > > patch to >> > > >> > > main >> > > >> > > >> page to show visitors that work is in progress. >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > I am afraid this patch cannot be applied as it contains a >> > donation >> > > >> > > > link to your email address. The ASF is very strict about >> > > donations. >> > > >> > > > Please read more here: >> > > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Also this page is to track status on the ASF Wave project. >> Links >> > > to >> > > >> > > > third party tools, libs, books etc usually are noted on the >> > > projects >> > > >> > > > website, if the developers agree to publish them. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I am sorry, i mixed pages up. Of course, the page you referenced >> > is >> > > >> > > not the status page. Nevertheless the rest of the email is >> > correct. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > It makes sense to read this link in addition: >> > > >> > > http://apache.org/foundation/getinvolved.html >> > > >> > > This might be of interest for Andrew :-) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > >> > > Christian >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Cheers >> > > >> > > > Christian >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > -- >> > > >> > > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > >> > > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > >> > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > https://www.timeandbill.de >> > > >> > >>
