Could Kirill set up a separate site (say "FundWave.com") and offer "bounties" to any developer who successfully developed/fixed (and had their code committed) a given feature or bug? Basically BountySource<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BountySource>specific to Wave.
Or it could [also/instead] run like Kickstarter allowing devs to propose a feature or other time-intensive improvement and let others donate money to fund that specific feature. This option would allow the general community of Wave users directly support the projects that mattered (i.e. are usefull) to them. This would separate the "official" Apache development process from the money side, but allow Kirill and others to help fund the development of Wave. A link could be placed on the Apache Wave site indicating the "FundWave" purpose and it's non-official connection to the project. How's that sound? My company (GJX Hosting) would love to co-sponsor such a site. God Bless, Kyle Johnston On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:48, Andrew Kaplanov <[email protected]> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected]> > Date: 2012/1/13 > Subject: Fwd: Current project status at http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ > WaveImport uses low level robot API from Walkaround. > That requires GAE libraries. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Yuri Z <[email protected]> > Date: 2012/1/13 > Subject: Re: Current project status at http://incubator.apache.org/wave/ > To: [email protected] > > > From what I see in the GitHub repository at > https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport - all third party libraries there > are > already included in the WIAB distribution. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hello Christian! > > > > I hired Andrew Kaplanov for full time WIAB development. My company use > > GWave now heavily. > > He decided not commit WaveImport (https://github.com/jorkey/WaveImport) > > utility to WIAB main tree, because it need many third party libraries. > > That's why you did not see my name on the commiters list. > > > > So, I'm interested in speed up and I could create my own site with public > > donations. > > Could you offer some tools for this goal? > > > > 2012/1/12 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The situation with WIAB is different from usual opensource project. > > > > There are a lot of Google Wave users (I think 50k+) waiting for some > > > > alternative. > > > > > > Similar to OpenOffice.org > > > > > > > My idea is to publish tasks developers working at on WIAB main page > and > > > let > > > > each developer put donate button there. I want to speed up WIAB > > > development > > > > and it is clear that there will be more developers if they could get > > > > financial support from future users. > > > > > > > > As far as I understand ASF doen't forbid such practice. If so my idea > > > could > > > > help to speed up development. > > > > > > As Upayavira already mentioned, the ASF does not collect money for > > > third parties or other developers. You can move one level up and > > > dicuss this on [email protected] again. I think you'll get > > > similar responses. > > > > > > There is a similar case with Team OpenOffice.org on the OpenOffice.org > > > mailinglist. TOOo collects donations for their developers on their own > > > website. The requirement is people need to understand TOOo is not ASF > > > and that AOOo will not die just because people do not donate to third > > > party devs. > > > > > > In your case, I even don't see the developers name on the committer > > > list. I think the best first step would be to become an active > > > committer in this community and set up an own website, not conflicting > > > with the ASF branding guidelines > > > > > > Cheers > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/1/12 Upayavira <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Kirill, > > > >> > > > >> Firstly, it is great that you are planning to contribute to Wave. > > > >> > > > >> We tend not to announce things before they have happened, so we > don't > > > >> tend to announce that someone has joined a project. > > > >> > > > >> As to donations to a developer, we all need food, and many of us > make > > > >> our living based upon connections we made at Apache. As a registered > > > >> non-profit, Apache can't be seen to favour one person above another, > > so > > > >> placing adverts for donations on the site itself if problematic. > > > >> > > > >> What I would say, though, is that you should start to participate > > here. > > > >> Ask around for suggestions of missing features/weaknesses and start > > > >> contributing. Do that sufficiently, and you'll be offered commit > > rights > > > >> so you can work actively on the application yourself. > > > >> > > > >> There's nothing at all to stop you using contacts you make here to > > find > > > >> work/projects. All that is required is that you are sensitive to the > > > >> needs of the project, and that you recognise that most people aren't > > > >> here to talk about financial issues. > > > >> > > > >> Welcome, I look forward to seeing your contributions to the project! > > > >> > > > >> Regards, Upayavira > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 01:13 AM, Kirill Kostyuchenko wrote: > > > >> > Hello Christian, > > > >> > > > > >> > I read http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html and > > > >> > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html again > > > >> > and did not found that donations to specific developers > prohibited. > > > >> > > > > >> > I was thinking, that donation to ASF and specific developers is > > > different > > > >> > thing and it's allowed by ASF rules. > > > >> > > > > >> > If donations prohibited, please remove this button and just > publish > > > some > > > >> > news on the main page, > > > >> > becouse the project seems dead with current main page. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > 2012/1/11 Christian Grobmeier <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Christian Grobmeier > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Hello Kirill, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Kirill Kostyuchenko > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >> I think many people want to continue use WIAB after Google > Wave > > > for > > > >> > > their > > > >> > > >> needs. We hired Andrew Kaplanov fulltime to implement > critical > > > >> features. > > > >> > > >> I want WIAB main page visitors to understand that work is in > > > >> progress > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > >> they are able to speed up things. > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> I kindly ask developers to add tasks they are working at to > > > "Current > > > >> > > Status" > > > >> > > >> section I have added to WIAB's main page. Please apply this > > > patch to > > > >> > > main > > > >> > > >> page to show visitors that work is in progress. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I am afraid this patch cannot be applied as it contains a > > donation > > > >> > > > link to your email address. The ASF is very strict about > > > donations. > > > >> > > > Please read more here: > > > http://apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Also this page is to track status on the ASF Wave project. > Links > > > to > > > >> > > > third party tools, libs, books etc usually are noted on the > > > projects > > > >> > > > website, if the developers agree to publish them. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I am sorry, i mixed pages up. Of course, the page you referenced > > is > > > >> > > not the status page. Nevertheless the rest of the email is > > correct. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > It makes sense to read this link in addition: > > > >> > > http://apache.org/foundation/getinvolved.html > > > >> > > This might be of interest for Andrew :-) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Cheers > > > >> > > Christian > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers > > > >> > > > Christian > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > >> > > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > >> > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > https://www.timeandbill.de > > > > > >
