On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 10:13:28AM -0400, Robert R Brand wrote:
> > We will have no better politicians than we demand.  Time we 
> >demanded more of them, a heck of a lot more!  A Sense of 
> >Values, a few Virtues, and a Strong Decent Character! 

On 8 Oct 98, at 11:22, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Feh.  That's a pipe dream.  If you are looking for politicians
> to be role models, you are looking in the wrong place, because 99%
> of them are as flawed as 99% of us.  Looking for them to
> have "a sense of values, a few virtues, and a strong decent
> character" is as idiotic as looking for those qualities among,
> say, professional athletes or movie stars.  It's utterly pointless.
> It's the pathetic quest of people without the spine to be their *own* role
> models, who therefore feel the need to belittle someone else's lifestyle
> instead of quietly living their own to the best of their ability.  It's
> the easy way out, which is why it's the choice of cowards and demogogues
> everywhere.

And now I write:

This is getting interesting.  I am glad it has the off-topic in the 
subject so I can set my filter to put it all in the "read if time 
permits folder".  Nice that I understand how to use filters and don't 
complain to the group about off-topic subjects (even if I rarely post 
anything of interest myself).

Personally, I have my own values that I set from my understanding of 
who I am.  Back in 1980 I was all set to vote for Jimmy Carter rather 
than Reagan and I argued about it (as usual). Here now in 1998 I have 
had a change of heart about who I am; been that way since I first 
read Atlas Shrugged on Kibbutz in Israel back in 1982.  Perhaps I 
will learn something new and I will change; I doubt it.

I like people who share my values. I want to work for them or with 
them or around them.  I usually hold at a distance someone who I know 
does not hold my values.  Honesty and Integrity  are paramount.   I 
am no John Galt  but that is my goal. I am inspired by those 
men/women of vision who live according to my values.  I am put-off by 
those who live by the seat-of-their-pants.

My children are learning to become human beings.  I help them as I 
can.  They are influenced by those around them.  I find it sad when 
those in positions of power exhibit a lack of my values.  I must try 
to explain it to my children.  Is their father right?

I recently saw just the tail end of a movie I cannot recall ever 
seeing: HUD,  with Paul Newman.  Seems like that movie is timeless.

Peter
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