Hey there, in Germany is no large WebObjects Developer pool, but from personal experience i would say. WebObjects from no Java and no HTML knowledge would be something like 4 month. We have some young beginners at our company, which are learning very fast the basics of java an html. So that they are after 1,5 month Ready for the first WO Lessons. And they are doing very well.
I think Europe should do it own WOWODC, because my boss will not send me over the ocean but for an event in Europe i could get some time. But the main problem is who organizes something like that. I not the kind of person, but i would attend to an event like this. P.S. Head First Java is an extraordinary book for beginners! Am 24.09.2011 um 21:04 schrieb Pascal Robert: > > Le 2011-09-24 à 14:38, Marius Soutier a écrit : > >> Hi there, >> >> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a >> friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the >> first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, I >> think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who know it >> at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by the two >> WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks by the >> way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and running very >> fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to hire more people? >> >> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing to >> learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this? > > It's harder, especially since 2008... If they search for WebObjects on > Google, they will find legacy documentation, stupid comments people make > about the Apple Store being down because of WO, etc. That's not helping... > At least wocommunity.org is usually in the top 5 of the search listings. > >> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be >> productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here the >> person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff. > > I would say 1.5 months. > >> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in >> startups nowadays. > > As long as it's not PHP (which I call the VisualBasic for the Web) :-) I > guess it's all depends on the "quality" of developers you want to have. > People who are willing to learn WO for a job are either people who are > curious and want to learn something they don't already know, or are people > who just want to get a job. People who choose a job because of buzzwords or > "because it's what the industry use", that's not the kind of person I would > hire, especially not for a startup. > > But yes, we need to do something to get fresh blood. We are thinking of doing > a two hours "Get to know WO" the Sunday before WWDC in SF so that iOS people > can see Project Wonder, especially ERRest in action. I'm also trying to do > two Project Wonder presentations at Confoo (local general Web conference, > confoo.ca). We need more actions like this. > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.bietenbeck%40froebus.de > > This email sent to [email protected] best regards Daniel Bietenbeck Softwaredevelopment ...fröbus digital media publishing Julius Fröbus GmbH Luxemburger Str. 96 • 50354 Hürth • Deutschland [email protected] • http://www.froebus.de • !NEU! http://www.gateway-portal.de !NEU! Geschäftsführung: Gerd Hecheltjen, Frank Bayerl Amtsgericht Köln • HRB 1118 • Finanzamt Brühl • UST-IdNr. DE 122788692
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