Le 2011-09-24 à 15:39, Daniel Bietenbeck a écrit : > Hey there, > > in Germany is no large WebObjects Developer pool, but from personal > experience i would say. WebObjects from no Java and no HTML knowledge would > be something like 4 month. We have some young beginners at our company, which > are learning very fast the basics of java an html. So that they are after 1,5 > month Ready for the first WO Lessons. And they are doing very well. > > I think Europe should do it own WOWODC, because my boss will not send me over > the ocean but for an event in Europe i could get some time.
It's because of total cost or for another reason? > But the main problem is who organizes something like that. I not the kind of > person, but i would attend to an event like this. Not much people want to organize a WOWODC anywhere in the world :-) I understand them, not much people want to spend > 35 hours to organize an event for next to nothing money wise. > P.S. Head First Java is an extraordinary book for beginners! > > Am 24.09.2011 um 21:04 schrieb Pascal Robert: > >> >> Le 2011-09-24 à 14:38, Marius Soutier a écrit : >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a >>> friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the >>> first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, I >>> think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who know >>> it at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by the two >>> WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks by the >>> way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and running very >>> fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to hire more people? >>> >>> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing to >>> learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this? >> >> It's harder, especially since 2008... If they search for WebObjects on >> Google, they will find legacy documentation, stupid comments people make >> about the Apple Store being down because of WO, etc. That's not helping... >> At least wocommunity.org is usually in the top 5 of the search listings. >> >>> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be >>> productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here >>> the person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff. >> >> I would say 1.5 months. >> >>> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in >>> startups nowadays. >> >> As long as it's not PHP (which I call the VisualBasic for the Web) :-) I >> guess it's all depends on the "quality" of developers you want to have. >> People who are willing to learn WO for a job are either people who are >> curious and want to learn something they don't already know, or are people >> who just want to get a job. People who choose a job because of buzzwords or >> "because it's what the industry use", that's not the kind of person I would >> hire, especially not for a startup. >> >> But yes, we need to do something to get fresh blood. We are thinking of >> doing a two hours "Get to know WO" the Sunday before WWDC in SF so that iOS >> people can see Project Wonder, especially ERRest in action. I'm also trying >> to do two Project Wonder presentations at Confoo (local general Web >> conference, confoo.ca). We need more actions like this. >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.bietenbeck%40froebus.de >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > best regards > > Daniel Bietenbeck > Softwaredevelopment > > ...fröbus > digital media publishing > > Julius Fröbus GmbH > Luxemburger Str. 96 • 50354 Hürth • Deutschland > [email protected] • http://www.froebus.de • !NEU! > http://www.gateway-portal.de !NEU! > > Geschäftsführung: Gerd Hecheltjen, Frank Bayerl > Amtsgericht Köln • HRB 1118 • Finanzamt Brühl • UST-IdNr. DE 122788692 > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to [email protected]
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