Hi there too, >> Hey there, >> >> in Germany is no large WebObjects Developer pool, but from personal >> experience i would say. WebObjects from no Java and no HTML knowledge would >> be something like 4 month. We have some young beginners at our company, >> which are learning very fast the basics of java an html. So that they are >> after 1,5 month Ready for the first WO Lessons. And they are doing very well. >> >> I think Europe should do it own WOWODC, because my boss will not send me >> over the ocean but for an event in Europe i could get some time. > > It's because of total cost or for another reason?
Maybe the total cost. The flight cost about 800-1000 Euro and that is a lot for only 3 days^^ Then the Hotel and WOWDC, Eating and we speak about USD 2000.-/person >> But the main problem is who organizes something like that. I not the kind of >> person, but i would attend to an event like this. > > Not much people want to organize a WOWODC anywhere in the world :-) I > understand them, not much people want to spend > 35 hours to organize an > event for next to nothing money wise. I am OK to do that for WOWODC 2013 in Europe, and maybe 2015 in Japan. Let me think about that... I did a WebObjects Bootcamp this Summer 2011 in Hiroshima (1 day) Japan and Fukuoka(4 days) Japan. >> P.S. Head First Java is an extraordinary book for beginners! >> >> Am 24.09.2011 um 21:04 schrieb Pascal Robert: >> >>> >>> Le 2011-09-24 à 14:38, Marius Soutier a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a >>>> friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the >>>> first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, >>>> I think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who >>>> know it at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by >>>> the two WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks >>>> by the way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and >>>> running very fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to >>>> hire more people? >>>> >>>> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing >>>> to learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this? >>> >>> It's harder, especially since 2008... If they search for WebObjects on >>> Google, they will find legacy documentation, stupid comments people make >>> about the Apple Store being down because of WO, etc. That's not helping... >>> At least wocommunity.org is usually in the top 5 of the search listings. >>> >>>> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be >>>> productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here >>>> the person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff. >>> >>> I would say 1.5 months. >>> >>>> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in >>>> startups nowadays. >>> >>> As long as it's not PHP (which I call the VisualBasic for the Web) :-) I >>> guess it's all depends on the "quality" of developers you want to have. >>> People who are willing to learn WO for a job are either people who are >>> curious and want to learn something they don't already know, or are people >>> who just want to get a job. People who choose a job because of buzzwords or >>> "because it's what the industry use", that's not the kind of person I would >>> hire, especially not for a startup. >>> >>> But yes, we need to do something to get fresh blood. We are thinking of >>> doing a two hours "Get to know WO" the Sunday before WWDC in SF so that iOS >>> people can see Project Wonder, especially ERRest in action. I'm also trying >>> to do two Project Wonder presentations at Confoo (local general Web >>> conference, confoo.ca). We need more actions like this. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.bietenbeck%40froebus.de >>> >>> This email sent to [email protected] >> >> best regards >> >> Daniel Bietenbeck >> Softwaredevelopment >> >> ...fröbus >> digital media publishing >> >> Julius Fröbus GmbH >> Luxemburger Str. 96 • 50354 Hürth • Deutschland >> [email protected] • http://www.froebus.de • !NEU! >> http://www.gateway-portal.de !NEU! >> >> Geschäftsführung: Gerd Hecheltjen, Frank Bayerl >> Amtsgericht Köln • HRB 1118 • Finanzamt Brühl • UST-IdNr. 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