Le 2011-09-24 à 17:27, ISHIMOTO Ken a écrit : > Hi there too, > >>> Hey there, >>> >>> in Germany is no large WebObjects Developer pool, but from personal >>> experience i would say. WebObjects from no Java and no HTML knowledge would >>> be something like 4 month. We have some young beginners at our company, >>> which are learning very fast the basics of java an html. So that they are >>> after 1,5 month Ready for the first WO Lessons. And they are doing very >>> well. >>> >>> I think Europe should do it own WOWODC, because my boss will not send me >>> over the ocean but for an event in Europe i could get some time. >> >> It's because of total cost or for another reason? > > Maybe the total cost. The flight cost about 800-1000 Euro and that is a lot > for only 3 days^^
If WOWODC didn't have concurrent sessions and instead is 4 or 5 days, would more people come? > Then the Hotel and WOWDC, Eating and we speak about USD 2000.-/person > >>> But the main problem is who organizes something like that. I not the kind >>> of person, but i would attend to an event like this. >> >> Not much people want to organize a WOWODC anywhere in the world :-) I >> understand them, not much people want to spend > 35 hours to organize an >> event for next to nothing money wise. > > I am OK to do that for WOWODC 2013 in Europe, and maybe 2015 in Japan. > > Let me think about that... > > I did a WebObjects Bootcamp this Summer 2011 in Hiroshima (1 day) Japan and > Fukuoka(4 days) Japan. > >>> P.S. Head First Java is an extraordinary book for beginners! >>> >>> Am 24.09.2011 um 21:04 schrieb Pascal Robert: >>> >>>> >>>> Le 2011-09-24 à 14:38, Marius Soutier a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I know this a difficult and opinionated topic, but I have been asked by a >>>>> friend what technology to choose for a Lean Startup (= 3 months until the >>>>> first minimum viable product). While he and I know WebObjects quite well, >>>>> I think it's safe to say there are only few people here in Germany who >>>>> know it at all. I'm personally convinced (and have seen this affirmed by >>>>> the two WOWODC talks about Lean Startup and Fluffy Bunny, excellent talks >>>>> by the way) that WO itself is a great technology to get things up and >>>>> running very fast. However, what if the business grows and he needs to >>>>> hire more people? >>>>> >>>>> My first question is - do you easily find skilled people who are willing >>>>> to learn WebObjects? What's your experience on this? >>>> >>>> It's harder, especially since 2008... If they search for WebObjects on >>>> Google, they will find legacy documentation, stupid comments people make >>>> about the Apple Store being down because of WO, etc. That's not >>>> helping... At least wocommunity.org is usually in the top 5 of the search >>>> listings. >>>> >>>>> And the second question would be - how long does it take them to be >>>>> productive, i.e. write working code without much help. I'm assuming here >>>>> the person knows Java quite well and is eager to learn new stuff. >>>> >>>> I would say 1.5 months. >>>> >>>>> The alternative would be Ruby on Rails, which seems quite popular in >>>>> startups nowadays. >>>> >>>> As long as it's not PHP (which I call the VisualBasic for the Web) :-) I >>>> guess it's all depends on the "quality" of developers you want to have. >>>> People who are willing to learn WO for a job are either people who are >>>> curious and want to learn something they don't already know, or are people >>>> who just want to get a job. People who choose a job because of buzzwords >>>> or "because it's what the industry use", that's not the kind of person I >>>> would hire, especially not for a startup. >>>> >>>> But yes, we need to do something to get fresh blood. We are thinking of >>>> doing a two hours "Get to know WO" the Sunday before WWDC in SF so that >>>> iOS people can see Project Wonder, especially ERRest in action. I'm also >>>> trying to do two Project Wonder presentations at Confoo (local general Web >>>> conference, confoo.ca). We need more actions like this. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/daniel.bietenbeck%40froebus.de >>>> >>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>> >>> best regards >>> >>> Daniel Bietenbeck >>> Softwaredevelopment >>> >>> ...fröbus >>> digital media publishing >>> >>> Julius Fröbus GmbH >>> Luxemburger Str. 96 • 50354 Hürth • Deutschland >>> [email protected] • http://www.froebus.de • !NEU! >>> http://www.gateway-portal.de !NEU! >>> >>> Geschäftsführung: Gerd Hecheltjen, Frank Bayerl >>> Amtsgericht Köln • HRB 1118 • Finanzamt Brühl • UST-IdNr. 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