There's also a 4th reason: People like me who don't know git/github, and don't know how to integrate it into my workflow. I'd like to contribute more, but I need to spend a day or two figuring out how to get from here to there without breaking my current workflow much. For instance I currently have laying around a basic twitter framework, httpclient framework, xgrid framework, crowdflower framework etc. etc. just gathering dust. I also have random subclasses since it's quicker for me to subclass and fix a bug in wonder instead of working with wonder directly.
On my list of todo's I need to rewatch your contributing to wonder video then learn up on Github and Tailor so I could post to github from my svn commits. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: > > Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit : > > >>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the > majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the community and > the most voted issues will become the highest priorities." > >>> > >>> > >>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will > continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in > Wonder. > >> > >> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to > Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple… We don't have that > sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we > don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway, but > that's another story… > > Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder. > Almost all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating their > time, bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community. Frankly, if > Apple hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done them anyway, > because I just enjoyed making things. > > > > This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up > with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of that, > there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market cost for > this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand dollars of > time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on top of > encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going to be paid > crap, so why would anyone even bother? > > > > I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money. > They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't care > enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to do X" or > "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know how to > write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working on WOLips, > and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on Wonder. I'm would > wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the same category. > Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest times in Wonder > for me were always when one person contributing got someone else energized > to contribute and amazing things were made. > > > > The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're > just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying the > fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look in the > mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be sad that > it dies. > > I think reasons don't contribute are: > > 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to > saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have > everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible. > > 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I > added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the > community" talk at WOWODC. > > 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts. > And I can't do anything about that. > > So I really don't know how we can improve the situation… > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ted.archibald%40gmail.com > > This email sent to ted.archib...@gmail.com >
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