Ludovic Champenois wrote: > Jan Chalupa wrote: >> Ludovic Champenois wrote: >>> Frank Jennings wrote: >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> I'm Frank from the Solaris Developer IP group. I'm collecting Web >>>> Stack specific information for publishing in NetBeans site. >>>> Please visit the following link: >>>> >>>> http://www.jennings.in/wstack/NB_WebStack_Draft2.pdf >>>> >>>> for a PDF containing information on getting started with NetBeans >>>> for Web App. development. The information and instructions are >>>> specific to Web Stack available through SXDE 1/08. It is not a >>>> marketing doc or a Web Stack-NB reference manual. It is just a quick >>>> start guide that NetBeans community will need to consider using >>>> NetBeans on Solaris for web development. >>>> >>>> The document is targeted for existing NetBeans users and web >>>> application developers. >>>> >>>> Please review the document and send me any information that needs to >>>> be included in this guide. The final guide will be available on >>>> NetBeans wiki site post SXDE 1/08. >>>> >>>> (Re-sending the mail as my earlier mail bounced back due to the >>>> large PDF (~2MB)). >>>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Good tutorial. >> >> Agreed. Good job, Frank! >> >>> 1 point: >>> not sure why you do not use the "NetBeans PHP" IDE configuration >>> available in the SXDE start menu (close to the NetBeans 6.0" menu). >>> (Maybe the first paragraph should show where are the menus to start >>> the stack and Nb6 or Nb php on the desktop.) >>> The Nb PHP is a preconfigured NB setup that only exposes the PHP >>> support. >>> you do not need to download the PHP modules. This is a very >>> attractive combination when you do not want as a PHP developer to >>> have an IDE that can do java, javaee, uml, ruby, etc. This simple PHP >>> configuration also allows you to declare mySql or Postgres databases >>> since the drivers are registered in the IDE. It starts very very >>> fast, compare to the complete Nb6. >> >> I tend to think that the "NB PHP IDE" is an exception that should >> disappear after SXDE 1/08. We already heard from users who were >> confused why there are two NetBeans IDEs in SXDE. > That might be internal users (Java gurus?), since there is no public > builds of this configuration. I did not see evidence yet of the > confusion on this mailing list.
That's right. They were internal users. >> If there's a concern that PHP (or Ruby, or C/C++) users won't use a >> full IDE, there should be another way to let them use only the >> functionality they need. > Yes, most of the PHP developers I talked to (many at the Zend PHP > conference) will not accept a PHP IDE that have also > Java/EE/UML/Profiler capabilities as well. This is a completely > different crowd, really. That's why we have this setup right now. Yes, we're aware of it. The Ruby/Rails crowd is very similar in this regard. I'm not underestimating it. > In the future IPS opensolaris repository, there must be a way to > download only the NB clusters you need. I think this is what we will have. I think the user should be able to select the "NetBeans PHP" package which would bring in all necessary dependencies and result in a minimalistic PHP IDE. Thanks, -Honza > > Ludo > >> >>> For NB 6.0, you are correct, it can be extended to add the php >>> module from update center. This complete IDE can also do web apps, >>> jruby etc. >>> >>> Showing Postgres via NetBeans is good, but maybe we should add a >>> chapter about MySQL which is part of SXDE and that can start/stop >>> with the Apache2 server via the Desktop Start menu. NB has the MySQL >>> JDBC driver, and the NB PHP edition has also the DB capabilities. >>> MySQL is the new big thing in SXDE 01/08 :-) >> >> I absolutely agree. I know there was a reason why the documentation >> was focusing on integration with Postgres, but a good MySQL >> documentation is also a priority. Especially now. >> >> -Honza >> >>> Ludo >>> >>>> Regards >>>> Frank J >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> webstack-discuss mailing list >>>> webstack-discuss at opensolaris.org >>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/webstack-discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> webstack-discuss mailing list >>> webstack-discuss at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/webstack-discuss >
