Sunny,

It was never my intention to make a pitch for Claredi.  My intention was, in 
responding to Rama's assertion that testing and certification are the same 
thing, to explain the difference that we make between testing and 
certification.

However, given that other testing vendors do not share in our understanding of 
certification, and it seems like each vendor has a different understanding of 
certification, if the response had been a "generic" response it would have 
projected our understanding of certification onto the other vendors, causing 
even more confusion.  Thus, I made it clear that the description of 
certification I was giving was our description.  I was not trying to say we 
are the only ones that get "it", but to define what is "it" that we do.  
Others have a different understanding of "it" than we do.  If the point came 
across as a commercial, it was certainly not my intention to do so, and I 
apologize again.

Personally I would like to know what are the other vendors' description of 
their certification.  If nothing else so the industry can make better 
informed decisions.  It would clear some of the mystery.  The problem and 
challenge will be that when you define certification your way, it is very 
difficult to do so without saying "this is what WE mean by..."  Maybe 
Marcallee or the workgroup co-chairs can help here?

As for Patrice's and Mike's job, as I said in my original message, it was 
great.  It is, as far as I know, the very first time in WEDI's history that 
there has been a side by side comparison of results from different vendors. 
The fact that "I" would have done it different is to be expected, since I am 
not a neutral party but one of the vendors in the panel.  I bet you or Ed 
would have done it different too.  In any case, I applaud their efforts and 
welcome further activities of this nature.

Finally, as for co-authoring a paper on "Business Certification", I may be 
able to help, but first I would like to know what is that you call "Business 
Certification".  Perhaps you could describe it in this list, and then, if the 
group leadership wants to have a white paper on that topic, they can make 
that decision.

Kepa


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