Re: [wc] Re: am I crazy to go to London in October?

Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:23:22 -0700

If it wasn't for 9/11 who knows if they would have been plotting this? Our "war on terror" might be breeding terroist who feel like they have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING (marderdom) to gain.
I could be wrong (and I am guessing that the people here will gladly share their point) but it sure seems like the number and scale of terrorist activities have excalated since Sept 11th. Examples the London bus/ train bombings, the Madrid Bombings. Before Sept. 11th there were terrorost events but not on the scale (like the Cole bombing, and the attack on the US embassies in Africa, bombing of the parking garage of the twin towers). Not only that but civilians are now acceptable and actually prefered targets.... when before it seemed to be more government and military targets.
The truth is we don't know what MAJOR plans were stopped before Sept 11th. There was no need publicize the fact that the governement stopped a plot because the goal was not "to keep our people scared". The general public, pre- 9/11 was oblivious to the threat and  that was fine. As the government attempts to limit personal freedoms they HAVE to keep us scared or we wouldn't put up with it.
That's just my two cents for what is worth.
Daria
PS I am not a conspiacy freak who believes that the US helped or knowingly ignored the Sept 11 event but I do beieve that the current governement had plans to invade Iraq BEFORE Sept 11.


 
On 8/11/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK point taken, this is the least of my worries. But I am pretty
sure that if it weren't for 9/11 they wouldn't have stopped this.



--- In [email protected], "Max H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Probably anyone who regularly uses duct tape or a soldering iron
would
> know about the can, we even have a mass-manufactured version at
home;
> I also happen to read spy novels and books on computer security for
> fun. These are like puzzles.
>
> For example, you could buy a can of Coke, modify it, go to the
> airport, buy another, ditch it or drink it quickly, and use the
> receipt to prove you just bought your modified can. Very easy.
>
> -Max H.
>
> On 8/11/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if I really want to know how/why you know this,
unless
> > it is common knowledge or common knowledge among readers of murder
> > mysteries or something. I was thinking if I bought the can at the
> > airport and had a receipt then I wouldn't have had the
opportunity to
> > do all that between buying it and boarding, but now I'm just
> > quibbling. Grrr.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected] , "Max H." <MaxH42@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, will all terrorists please leave the chat room?
> > >
> > > We'll wait....
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Messing with a can of soda is quite easy. A Dremel tool and some
> > Krazy
> > > Glue will let you open up a can, replace its contents, and put
it
> > back
> > > together so that no one would notice (if you cut right under the
> > > folded over rim at the very top). Heck, it's a somewhat popular
> > method
> > > of hiding valuables.
> > >
> > > So my guess is that they'll only allow the prescreened beverages
> > > brought on by the airline.
> > >
> > > Of course, there are lots easier ways to hide liquids than a
can,
> > > involving capsules, condoms, or baggies. Or one
cleaning/maintenance
> > > person who has access to the plane during the preboard routine.
> > >
> > > But don't let any of that discourage you from flying. All this
was
> > > possible both before and after 9/11, and the methods I've
mentioned
> > > have never been used successfully.
> > >
> > > -Max H.
> > >
> > > On 8/10/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > why would you have to buy them there? You can just pack them
in
> > your
> > > > suitcase. As I said I'm not planning to take a shower on the
> > > > airplane. It's the water and stuff like that, although they
> > usually
> > > > give you drinks even if they are skimpy on the food. What I'm
> > really
> > > > curious about is whether you can take unopened canned drinks
on
> > board,
> > > > and if not why not. Do they really think people are
sophisticated
> > > > enough to mess around with unopened canned drinks? Those
things
> > are
> > > > airtight.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], Tony Richards
> > > > <tonyrichards@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well we were due to fly to Heathrow from Dulles tonight, but
> > just
> > > > before
> > > > > I bought the tix
> > > > > my son's cousin decided to get married this weekend.
However,
> > I've
> > > > > rescheduled for
> > > > > December and have no plans to cancel.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for not carrying on toothpaste and shampoo, I remember
> > reading
> > > > > somewhere that there
> > > > > are places in the UK where these can be purchased. These
> > places are
> > > > > called shops.
> > > > >
> > > > > While I'm in the mood, why oh why, do people complain about
not
> > being
> > > > > allowed to take
> > > > > nail-clippers. I can go a few hours without a manicure, and
> > I'm sure
> > > > > I'm not alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for bottled water, just drink 3-4 liters before security
> > then spend
> > > > > the flight recycling
> > > > > your urine. I have a gift for the obvious.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone need any other advice, just drop me a line. Glad I
> > could be
> > > > of help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Tony
> > > > >
> > > > > Ellen wrote:
> > > > > > no kidding. I wasn't really planning to bring toiletries
in my
> > > > > > carryon anyway--what am I going to do with shampoo--take a
> > shower on
> > > > > > the plane? But things like regular bottled drinking
water,
> > what the
> > > > > > hell? Sure I'll taste my own bottled water before
boarding
> > if you
> > > > > > insist. They keep telling us to bring our own food, now
we
> > won't be
> > > > > > able to because we might have secretly hidden explosives
in
> > the
> > > > > > applesauce? The fast food places in the airport advertise
> > flight
> > > > > > meals. They think they're saving money by not feeding us
on
> > the
> > > > > > plane--all they're really doing is giving us more
opporunity
> > to make
> > > > > > secret bombs out of chocolate pudding. or something like
> > that.
> > > > > > We're all going to hell and it's too late to turn back.
> > > > > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > > --Max H., moderator Freecycle Olney, MD, Freecycle Rockville
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