Hi Friedrich - IAANAA (I also am not an attorney)! and likely know no more than yourself about the issues.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Map [3]s gives links to iso/iec 13250 2. The 'community' includes developers who contractually/implicitly guarantee the provenance of the tools/apps they deploy. 3. Only the author (the Foundation) of the wikidata tool itself would need purchase the ISO license - noone else. 4. This is about the methods & processes embedded _within_ the tools, nothing about content managed by the tools. 5. It is certainly possible (if not likely) that the current [[wikidata]] design steps on some patents - one doesn't know until a search is done -- a search that presumptively we can believe has already been performed by the ISO for 13250. regards - john On 13.06.2012 06:07, Friedrich Röhrs wrote: > Hi, > > "1c. You're arguing over CHF 200 -- which extraordinarily-cheaply and > fundamentally PROTECTS the MWF from copyright infringement suits? Can > the SNAK architecture provide that reassurance to the MWF community?" > > imho there are some problems with this argumentation: > > First i don't really know what standard you are talking about; i can't > find any "ISO Topic Map metamodel". The only publication i found was > on "Topic Maps -- Data Model" which is shortened as TMDM (not TMM). Is > that the one you are referring to? There seems to be a whole group of > standards based around that specific one, for example "ISO 18048: > Topic Maps Query Language (TMQL)" and "ISO 19756: Topic Maps > Constraint Language (TMCL)" etc. (wouldn't that mean you would have to > pay for them all?) > > Then you seem to be mixing the MWF as an entity and the MWF community > as a collection of individuals. Even if the MWF somehow purchased the > documentation of the standard (or standards from above) from ISO this > would mean nothing to people not part of the MWF. The "community" is > not an official part of the fundation, i.e. they are not members, so > they would have no right to the content of the standard. > > The same seems to be true to any third party wanting to use the data > from wikidata. They would need to implement the standard (or even > group of standards) if they successfully wanted to use the content > offered by wikidata. To be able to do this efficiently they probably > would need to buy the standards themself. This seems to me to be > against wikimedias policy of "...the creation of content not subject > to restrictions on creation, use, and reuse.". Having to pay for a > documentation to be able to understand the structure the content is > held in seems to be a restriction the use of the data. > > Furthermore i don't really understand your "copyright infringement > thread". Either we are talking about structure, which, to me it seems, > is not protected by copyright (didn't oracle just fail in court > because of that). Or do we talk about some sort of content that can be > protected by copyright? You explicitly said you where not talking > about content :"You're citing a policy about CONTENT, I see, though I > was focusing on data models and technical interface designs..." > > Then again i am no laywer so don't really feel competent enough in > that field to give any real advice or have an opinion about what is > protected by copyright and what is not. > > tldr: To me it seems using the ISO standard would force third parties > wanting to consume wikidata content to implement that standard too and > thus having to pay for information on how to implement it. This would > mean a (financial) restriction on the use of content which is in > conflict with wikimedias values. > > Friedrich > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Nadja Kutz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello John, thanks for digging this out. I see in the Brochure there is not only a postbox but they have even an office where one could meat the ISO: 1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse It would be interesting to hear whats Wikimedia's opinion on this. Nadja _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected] [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l [2] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l Links: ------ [1] mailto:[email protected] [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Map
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