Hoi,
Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Exactly.
>
> If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements
> (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we
> include it?
>
> See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording
> sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this
> weeks weekly summary.
>
> What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table
> rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting
> then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data,
> not new datatypes.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to
>> this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there
>> were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It
>> shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property
>> values of "head of government <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6>"
>> property and populate all these mayors like here:
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
>>
>> -----
>> Yury Katkov
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard <
>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of
>>> relations.
>>>
>>> For example the tabular datas like an adress book like
>>> Name Phone-Number City
>>> John 12345 New York
>>> Katie 23456 Paris
>>>
>>> can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some
>>> conventions :
>>> * A "Phone number" property
>>> * A "living place" property
>>> and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires
>>> qualifiers.
>>>
>>> But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what
>>> are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a
>>> specficic treatment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera <kozuc...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not
>>>> reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera <kozuc...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
>>>>> wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a
>>>>> series into a wikitable on some wiki?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
>>>>>> * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for,
>>>>>> goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the
>>>>>> league.
>>>>>> * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats
>>>>>> won by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
>>>>>> * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.)
>>>>>> and rows for each census district.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more
>>>>>> useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a
>>>>>> statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or
>>>>>> alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a
>>>>>> statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to
>>>>>> each column.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera <kozuc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs.
>>>>>>> columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca <dacu...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, leave your comments here too:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_datasets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next
>>>>>>>> days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Micru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli <
>>>>>>>> valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of
>>>>>>>>> databases with several middlewares or tools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to
>>>>>>>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it
>>>>>>>>> can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a
>>>>>>>>> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to
>>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the
>>>>>>>>> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera <kozuc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D
>>>>>>>>>> tables like excel spreadsheets...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan
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