Oops. My mistake. The properties I proposed weren't the ones approved. :(
The property proposals are at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_Leagues joe On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Exactly. >> >> If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements >> (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we >> include it? >> >> See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording >> sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this >> weeks weekly summary. >> >> What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table >> rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting >> then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, >> not new datatypes. >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to >>> this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there >>> were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It >>> shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property >>> values of "head of government >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6>" property and populate all >>> these mayors like here: >>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms >>> >>> ----- >>> Yury Katkov >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of >>>> relations. >>>> >>>> For example the tabular datas like an adress book like >>>> Name Phone-Number City >>>> John 12345 New York >>>> Katie 23456 Paris >>>> >>>> can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some >>>> conventions : >>>> * A "Phone number" property >>>> * A "living place" property >>>> and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires >>>> qualifiers. >>>> >>>> But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what >>>> are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a >>>> specficic treatment ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not >>>>> reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within >>>>>> wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a >>>>>> series into a wikitable on some wiki? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Simple tables that are in wikipedia: >>>>>>> * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, >>>>>>> goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the >>>>>>> league. >>>>>>> * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats >>>>>>> won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. >>>>>>> * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion >>>>>>> etc.) and rows for each census district. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more >>>>>>> useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a >>>>>>> statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or >>>>>>> alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a >>>>>>> statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to >>>>>>> each column. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the advantage to having this as a table instead? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows >>>>>>>> vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please, leave your comments here too: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_datasets >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next >>>>>>>>> days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Micru >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of >>>>>>>>>> databases with several middlewares or tools. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>>>>>>>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it >>>>>>>>>> can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a >>>>>>>>>> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>>>>>>>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to >>>>>>>>>> anyone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the >>>>>>>>>> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? 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