Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name.
>
> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally
> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
> official name.
>
>
>
> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>>> qualifier.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course
>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
>>>>> treatment
>>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for labels
>>>>>> for all items. There are however a few categories of items for which
>>>>>> transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for language-independent
>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are
>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. If
>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you get
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin
>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian interface
>>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any
>>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is not
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of English.
>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT writes
>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English
>>>>>>> Wikipedia
>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO
>>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>>> >>
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