Hoi,
A name in a script that does not make sense to you is a standard to what?
Do not put yourself at the centre of the galaxy... It is a few years ago,
that it was proven earth did not centre the sun and the sun is only a spec
in our galaxy.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 11:00, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]> wrote:
> An official name in an alphabet I don't understand does not give me any
> useful information, not even an idea of how it is said.
>
> It may be the only information we have for sur of some item. I say it's a
> good idea to give the official name in the original language together with
> a transliteration in the user language. I don't understand how it could be
> a bad idea.
>
> 2015-05-01 7:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name.
>>>
>>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
>>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
>>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally
>>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
>>> official name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>>>>> qualifier.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course
>>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
>>>>>>> treatment
>>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for
>>>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items for
>>>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for
>>>>>>>>> language-independent
>>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are
>>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really.
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you
>>>>>>>>> get is
>>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin
>>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian
>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin>
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any
>>>>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is not
>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of English.
>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT writes
>>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia
>>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO
>>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>>>>> >>
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