I like the "associated peoples" idea - it's more widely applicable than "culture". I could change my proposal to this, so that it could be used for all these cases?
If 'dominant culture' needs indicating, I think it would make sense to do this as a 'qualifier' on the relevant culture (there may not be an appropriate property for this yet). Similarly, you could specify 'start-date' and 'end-date' qualifiers to indicate when each people was associated with the site/object/concept. Lawrence On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:34 Andrew Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > "Culture" seems a good idea. I was considering whether "associated > peoples" might be better than "inhabited by" - with a constraint to > make it clear that values had to be an instance of a nationality, > ethnic group, population, etc., rather than individuals. It seems to > overlap a bit with "culture". > > This would let us have "countries" like: > > * Aztec empire : associated peoples : Mexica (and others) > * France : associated peoples : French people > > but also could be used for both historic & contemporary cultural > concepts/objects/sites/etc: > > * Armenian dance : associated peoples : Armenian people > * Sutton Hoo : associated peoples : Anglo-Saxons > * Highland dress : associated peoples : Scottish people > > Unlike the culture idea, it wouldn't be implicitly "dominant culture". > This may or many not be a good thing :-) > > Andrew. > > On 14 January 2016 at 10:48, Lawrence Troup <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which > > would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica > [Q3307681] > > (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially > extend > > the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the > > Aztec Empire set to Mexica. > > > > I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - > > though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the > > Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it. > > > > Thanks, > > Lawrence > > > > [1] "culture" property proposal: > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#culture > > > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi James, > >> > >> Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, > >> "France" and "French people". > >> > >> We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: > >> France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a > >> "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - > >> but this is very convoluted! > >> > >> I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new > >> property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, > >> we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - > >> this is a bit generic, but it would work. > >> > >> Andrew. > >> > >> On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire > >> > :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of > >> > Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't > found > >> > any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your > >> > insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate? > >> > > >> > [1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > James Weaver > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikidata mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> - Andrew Gray > >> [email protected] > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikidata mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > -- > - Andrew Gray > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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