Hi James, Andrew, I've now created a proposal for an 'associated people' property [1]. If you're happy with this proposal, can add support for it? Or provide any comments on it.
Thanks, Lawrence [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_people On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 14:53 Lawrence Troup <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi James, > > I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with > 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the > referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people). > > I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated people' > property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated with e.g. the > Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of the society, have an > 'instance of' qualifier on that particular people. > > To give the full example: > Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' = Mexica [Q3307681] with > Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party [Q1346215]. > > I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use here, > but hopefully you get the idea. > > Thanks, > Lawrence > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about >> a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this >> sentiment? >> >> Please advise, >> James Weaver >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote: >> >> Hi James, >> >> This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which >> would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica >> [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could >> potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the >> "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica. >> >> I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - >> though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the >> Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it. >> >> Thanks, >> Lawrence >> >> [1] "culture" property proposal: >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#culture >> >> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi James, >> >> Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, >> "France" and "French people". >> >> We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: >> France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a >> "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - >> but this is very convoluted! >> >> I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new >> property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, >> we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - >> this is a bit generic, but it would work. >> >> Andrew. >> >> On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and >> >> > >> > :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of >> >> > Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found >> > any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your >> > insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate? >> > >> > [1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD >> > >> > Regards, >> > James Weaver >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikidata mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> >> >> -- >> - Andrew Gray >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> *_______________________________________________* >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >
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