Thanks Lawrence. I agree with your approach. What is the best way to show support for this new property?
Please advise, James Weaver On Fri, Jan 15, 2016, at 01:01 PM, Lawrence Troup wrote: > Hi James, Andrew, > > I've now created a proposal for an 'associated people' property [1]. > If you're happy with this proposal, can add support for it? Or provide > any comments on it. > > Thanks, Lawrence > > [1] > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_people > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 14:53 Lawrence Troup > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi James, >> >> I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with >> 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the >> referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people). >> >> I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated >> people' property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated >> with e.g. the Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of >> the society, have an 'instance of' qualifier on that particular >> people. >> >> To give the full example: Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' >> = Mexica [Q3307681] with Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party >> [Q1346215]. >> >> I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use >> here, but hopefully you get the idea. >> >> Thanks, Lawrence >> >> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> __ >>> Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts >>> about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that >>> expresses this sentiment? >>> >>> Please advise, James Weaver >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote: >>>> Hi James, >>>> >>>> This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], >>>> which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" >>>> Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). >>>> You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that >>>> you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica. >>>> >>>> I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs >>>> adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica >>>> were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Lawrence >>>> >>>> [1] "culture" property proposal: >>>> >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#culture >>>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi James, >>>>> >>>>> Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, >>>>> "France" and "French people". >>>>> >>>>> We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), >>>>> so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a >>>>> "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French >>>>> people - but this is very convoluted! >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new >>>>> property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. >>>>> Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the >>>>> population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work. >>>>> >>>>> Andrew. >>>>> >>>>> On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and >> >>>>> >>>>> > :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the >>>>> > Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. >>>>> > I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so >>>>> > I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties >>>>> > would be most appropriate? >>>>> > >>>>> > [1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, James Weaver >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Wikidata mailing list [email protected] >>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Andrew Gray [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > _________________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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