I see a gradual shift from open news articles to articles behind
paywall, that I guess must be a natural adjustment of the income model
as newspapers transition from paper to the Internet. Good article,
suitable for sources in Wikipedia and Wikidata, will probably more and
more likely be behind paywalls. We need to get use to that and it has
also been the case for books - to some degree - for a long time.
The Internet Archive, tools like Andy Mabbett refers to and the
'archive-url' parameter for (the English) Wikipedia's cite news template
as well as Wikidata's P1065 may be a good solution, but we may also keep
in mind that it might not be sustainable copyright-wise in the long
term, cf. discussions around controlled lending and Society of Authors'
concerns
https://publishingperspectives.com/2019/01/copyright-battle-internet-archives-open-library-authors-guild-society-of-authors/
(not currently behind paywall :)
/Finn
On 12/11/2019 08:17, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
It depends. When you approach it from a scientific point of view, you
write your paper and are personally responsible for what you write. The
bias of your paper may include the effort you take to verify sources. In
Wikipedia it is NOT your paper and it is NOT only your responsibility.
At the opposite end are the papers in the language you do not understand
and consequently not accepted as a source, there are the papers, books
that have not been
So a Wikipedia is biased because of the limiting of sources and as it is
NOT a personal responsibility, there is also the notion if we should
accept the bias that limiting brings.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 08:03, Andra Waagmeester <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I don't if I agree with "just citing" the newspaper article. Why not
push for resolvable citations if we have the technology? There is
not much value in a citation if you can't access the source to
verify, don't you think?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:38 AM Wynand van der Walt
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I like what Andy is doing, As a librarian, however, an
alternative would be to only cite the newspaper without the URL
as this analog citation would be valid, meaning just cite the
newspaper article.
Regards,
Wynand van der Walt
Head Librarian: Technical Services
Rhodes University Library
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:28 PM Andy Mabbett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 16:44, PWN
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I’m constantly encountering newspaper articles that have
disappeared from Google and
> are no longer viewable or even discoverable via Google.
> They are often the sole reference url for statements, yet
are behind a paywall - notably
> newspapers.com <http://newspapers.com>.
> How is the community handling the paywalling of
historical newspaper resources?
Whenever I cite something on Wikidata, or Wikipedia, I
submit a copy
to the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine using the add-on for
Firefox:
https://github.com/jonathanmccann/archive-url-firefox-addon
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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